Guest Jim69 Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 Hey I posted a topic about the options 4 the New Game menu, so I did a quick mock up of what it should look like. I haven't added any options or BG's yet this is just the framework based upon Vaaish's start up screen. Just wanted 2 get some opinions if 2 use this or rip it up and start afresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikker Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 (edited) theres a little prob with the relationship between the purple and the gray colors though. Edited August 15, 2003 by mikker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 Don't understand what u mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 (edited) This is what I suggest 4 the background, do peeps think it works? Edit: The BG is just an idea of what it would look like, I just mocked it up as a little rest at what I am doin at the mo, I think there should be like stats of the XC-11 like wingspan etc. Edited August 16, 2003 by Jim69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikker Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 I think you need more buttons then just start, and cancel. Thats the reason of the stuff in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 (edited) What else do u need? Edit: The whole options 4 new game and that will b in the middle BTW, sorry if I didn't make that clear. I've started another post in the Lab about what options there should be but I'll make sure I save the .psd file so it is easy 2 change. If this makes it to Milestone 2 then I suggest not coding in any other buttons other than the Start and Cancel ones as the rest haven't been decided yet and prob won't be 4 a while. Edited August 16, 2003 by Jim69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikker Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 Okee. Ill post in the lab then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 OK, I thought the last 1 I did was a bit poor so I tried this. Opinions peeps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikker Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 thats alot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 (edited) k, I'm gonna add some btn's that I think would b there, bere in mind that the btn's aint been decided and probably will change, so they will b more of place holders than anything. Edit: How about this? Edit2: I don't really like the green myself, but it keeps with Vaaish's main screen, so any opins on that would be welcome as well. Edited August 17, 2003 by Jim69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miceless Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Woh, that background does some strange things to my screen. :whatwhat: Its all fuzzy when i scroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikker Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 i couldn't find a post in the labaratory about this, so i post it here. It needs: -a scroll for difficulty _/-a check for randomized floorplans _/-a check for tactical saving and loading-start with selected _/-cancel _/ thats what i can think of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 How about these? Inspired from ST Jones's website and the XComUtil program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miceless Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Nice, but the background is still dodgy. Do we have any idea what the actual menu buttons are supposed to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 What do u suggest, I don't know what u mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miceless Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 About what? The background or the buttons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miceless Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 I dont like the background, regardless of how it looks when I scroll. Can you make the lines less visible? As for the buttons, I guess we need either an official answer or a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 OK, the buttons are just there 2 show sorta what they'd look like, they are all just stretched versions of each other so don't worry 2 much about that. As 4 the lines, I take it u r talking about behind the boxes? Or the whole BG itself? Coz I can change either so let me know. Personally I don't like the whole BG colour, but it keeps 2 what was in the other screens so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miceless Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Sorry, unclear there, just the BG in the boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 (edited) K, gimmie a minute. I'm gonna change the colour of the BG anywho so peeps can tell me which is better. Edit: Is that a little easier on ur eye? Edited August 17, 2003 by Jim69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikker Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 (edited) 1)Why random founding? it seams cool though.2)Base name should be, like in the original, chosen when placed.3)You have sent too many SMS ....'to', not '2' edit for 3: oh, i thought it was "you are not allowed 2 save", not "you can only save 2 times" 4) for the letters, i think they blend too much, hard to read...needs sharping. Edited August 17, 2003 by mikker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 (edited) , I didn't even notice that. The random funding was mentioned at one time, and I thought if u choose ur base name now it could have a default name so u don't always ave 2 choose 1 4 ur first base. Edit: What u just said is the reason I put it there, I keep spacin 2day Edit2: I could change the colour. Edited August 17, 2003 by Jim69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikker Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 so u don't always ave 2 choose 1 4 ur first base.thats just 1 more base name, and it is only chosen once per game. No biggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 PLus it fills some space on this screen :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikker Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 you could also put in the defficulties as buttons; beginner, easy, avorage, hard, alien exterminator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 (edited) I thought of that, but it takes up too much space Edit: I am also gonna change all the buttons on the right so the text is the same size. Edited August 17, 2003 by Jim69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaaish Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 I sorta like how mikker did the center piece and I think bouth of you need to work on the backgrounds. Maybe a faded out version of the imagess used on the main screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 OK, I did mikker's buttons, I'll be honest and say I didn't really like them when I looked at the post, but when I got rid of the BG and added some btn's I was plesently suprised. It reminded me a lot of Starcraft ( which is no bad thing ). I'm not crazy about the ones on the left tho, I think it breaks the style. BTW, I put a new BG in, this is robbed off a space site so we can't use it but I like the colour scheme and style, I think something simular looking from Mars with Earth where that strange planet would work well, and keep 2 the game's story line. Well, here it is ne way: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaaish Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Try playing with the right side of the menu, see how something similar to the left side works. and try a more subdued background Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 (edited) Yeah I know, that red really gives u a headache don't it? It's not mine ne way, I was just proposing a simular space scene showing Earth from the Cydonia base ( obviously u wouldn't be able 2 see the base, but...) I think u mean make the right menu look more like the left menu? I'll try it 2morrow. Edit: Personally I prefer the right menu, but I'll c what it looks like ne way, I usually change my mind when I actually c it done. Edited August 19, 2003 by Jim69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaaish Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Yeah I know, that red really gives u a headache don't it? It's not mine ne way, I was just proposing a simular space scene showing Earth from the Cydonia base ( obviously u wouldn't be able 2 see the base, but...) I think u mean make the right menu look more like the left menu? I'll try it 2morrow. Edit: Personally I prefer the right menu, but I'll c what it looks like ne way, I usually change my mind when I actually c it done.not saying that the right side is bad, just want you to branch out a bit and try a few things to see what happens. Remember not to play yourself into a corner. From what I'm seeing you have a working solution but there are an infinite number of good solutions waiting to be found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 k, I'll keep an open mind. Ur prob right, a lot of things I thought I wouldn't like actually seem to work so it's worth a go. I'll ave a mess around when I get back from work 2morrow, 4 now I really gotta sleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikker Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 (edited) I'll remove the green edge for ja (well i pasted over the one i made tto start with :Blush: ) Here As for the relationship thing, i mean that you can clearly see at the edges, that the lines meet in the gray zone, so it looks like it was just greyscaled in the edges. However, it doesnt do in my addition in the middle, because i shamelessly ripped it off the edges. Also, this one below is for the first post...yo need to lighten it op again, sorry. Edited August 19, 2003 by mikker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Oh, the green edge came from the original, I'll remove it l8r, or I might change it 2 a grey colour I'll try both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drewid Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 I like this stuff. The only thing I would say is that I think the main buttons are too big. It's heading towards a console feel and away from a tight pc feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 k, I'll change that as well, tho they are only there 2 show u where abouts they'd go, none of em ave been decided on yet so the size could need 2 be much smaller ne way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breunor Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 You should really take a look at the options menu thread where Mamutas is working on the coding. IMO the elements used in all the various dialog boxes should continue through to this menu as well. The button sizes and colors, layout, etc. It will look really out of place if those elements change from one screen to another. There should be a PSD file somewhere that you could use to import pieces into your screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 I tried that 4 the main screen, it really didn't look 2 good, look here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamutas Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 I agree with Breunor: this interface looks inconsistent with the current implementation of Geoscape UI (and discussed Baseview and X-Net DB view UIs). It does seem out of place, like from completely other game. Artists need to look on the whole game, not just on one screen. As for the options, then no single gameplay option was confirmed yet to be included in the game. Also, do not forget that v1 will not have anything significantly different from original game, as for example random UFO floorplans here. Another thing to keep in mind is the reusability. We are going to provide gameplay options dialogs which could be launched from Geoscape, Battlescape and Baseview screens. They will share number of options (I guess, cause again, nothing is defined yet), so it will be nice to reuse that same dialog code and art while presenting the options in the beginning of the game. Again, we need to look at the whole picture: all aspects of the game, not a single screen. I have attached a document I started to write for milestone 2. It has a screen flow which we will target. It is just a draft so far, but me and RK has pretty much agreed on it already.Xenocide_UI_framework.doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Firstly I don't see why the options shouldn't be added 2 v1.0 as they are very trivial. Secondly, maybe they should be a little closer but honestly I could come up with many examples of much further start screens to game screens. Just my opinion tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaaish Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 The start screens should have some elements from the game interface but should in no wise be exactally the same. Elements such as buttons and the greenscreen can be implemented in the main menu/start new game/ load game screens etc but the rest of the interface features weren't designed to fill a screen w/o extra geometry. I believe it will be close enough to keep the bars on the top and bottom and the background image w/o strtaying too far. For continuity we keep the same color scheme, buttons, and where possible the options screen style backgrounds for the center portion of the screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamutas Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Firstly, I am not the artist. I do not have a final word on the textures and colors, some other people do. I expressed my concerns as a coder and I think they are valid.Secondly, the options could be added if senior team says so. I just stated, that current direction is to be as close to the original as possible in v1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 k, it can always b ready 4 v2.0 plus, if someone wants 2 move it to the lab in that case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j'ordos Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 You mean this won't be used for V1?Fine, I'll move it then, just let me know if it should be put back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Apparently we are sticking to everything that was in UFO, hey no probs tho I've been spending more time wrestling with vertices ne way, this was a distraction when I was about 2 throw my mouse out the window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamutas Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 I did not say it will not be used in V1. I said, stick to the options which existed in original game. I suggest you to create a screen with placeholders for different option controls, which we will fill later. That would be the safest way to proceed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 If u mean just having the difficulty level where it is, and having the rest open and rdy for buttons 2 be added, that sounds fine 2 me, then I can just do the design and as more idea's are turned into practicality it can be easily added, leaving it 2 the programmers 2 link the btn to a usage. If not I don't understand ( wouldn't be a first : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamutas Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 If u mean just having the difficulty level where it is, and having the rest open and rdy for buttons 2 be added, that sounds fine 2 me, then I can just do the design and as more idea's are turned into practicality it can be easily added, leaving it 2 the programmers 2 link the btn to a usage.That was exactly what I suggested to do. If not I don't understand ( wouldn't be a first :I am getting that a lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaaish Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 (edited) Firstly, I am not the artist. I do not have a final word on the textures and colors, some other people do. I expressed my concerns as a coder and I think they are valid.Secondly, the options could be added if senior team says so. I just stated, that current direction is to be as close to the original as possible in v1.I think we misunderstood each other. I was not saying we should change the menu options I was trying to say that the diferance between the look of main screen and in game interface shouldn't be a problem so long as there were still elements that tied them together. Edited August 20, 2003 by Vaaish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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