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[Mark0]

Woudl it be possible to "mix" up X-com1 and X-com 2??
when a Ufo is shot down, in water, u go on missions under water, and when Ufo is on land, u go on it on land.
if we can put X-com 1 and 2 all together, graphics would be different, but still it would be nice...

I hope u guys understand a bti what i mean by mixign the game up...

[ApOcaLyPSe_1985]

W00t, i'm registered.

[Mark0]

Besides, the point of combining the two games is to see if it's possible. Nobody cares whether or not the story, or little things like which aliens are where, makes sense. We just want to combat both alien groups at a time.


-Micah

this is the objectif we have to acheive

btw what "code " was used to prgram X-com 1 and 2??
only need to learn it, and start making it.

[ApOcaLyPSe_1985]

, it would be fun looking at them with water tanks.
But I think the best thing you should do is to let certain UFO aliens related to the Aqua species do the underwater breath thingy.

- Like Sectoid = Related to Aquatoid. The ufopedia explains it all. Webbing between fingers and stuff.
- Maybe the Chryssalid = Related to the Lobsterman and Tentaculat. But Chryssalid doesn't have to be related to anything at all. Most insects can survive under water for a long time.
- Maybe Reaper = Related to Triscene ? I've never seen one underwater so this one can't be Aqua.

[PeterDragon]

Just look at Stewart's signiture..... ::

[gangsta]

Well hostile env. doesn't mean they don't breath oxygen. but sectoids obviously come from the ocean enviornment. They probably been modified to be able to survive on land too. Floaters have a life support system built into them. They might not breath at all and the life support does everything. Cyberdisc might be water proof. other aliens can wear suits most likely. Although for some of the dumber ones like reapers it might be nice to see their bodies scatter at the crash site. mean who would build a suit for a reaper? The ufos that have more than one type of alien not both types need to survive.

[gangsta]

Hey what about enviornment control on the ships. Just because the ship got hit and is at the bottom of the ocean doesnt mean it is all flooded. could have airlocks on all the UFOs wherever the entreance is. Mean we come to expect that from spaceships anyway.

[gangsta]

I like the idea with the ufo legs. Also when a ship crashes into the ocean it is less likely to get damage from impact. We should think of that when design our remake. doors without airlocks to damaged rooms could automatically magnetically lock to keep the undamaged compartments from sinking. Oh btw thinking about X-Com 2 I don't like the multi level missions it had. mean sort of sucks when you only have two guys left after a hard battle and then have to worry about the next level.

[gangsta]

Well 1 step ship missions might be good ... dunno what you mean by mixed. What about having reinforcements come in on multistep missions? I mean it wouldn't be so bad if the odds aren't impossible. I would have liked it though if the next step was just a diffrent height level

[gangsta]

I like that idea too. I mean the way X-Com grouped diffrent types of aliens together doesnt make sense. They are all on the same team afterall

[ApOcaLyPSe_1985]

Actually a lot aliens can survive under water. Look at the Mars mission, they can all breath !
But some units would be restricted to under water combat, like Sectopod, cyberdisc, snakemen ( partial electronic enhancements ), and maybe muton too ?
It would be the best solution, I think.

[gangsta]

Offtopic here but how about naming the game Defense Squad. It combines the names of UFO Defense and Laser Squad the game by the same author that came out before X-Com 1. Or possibly Alien Defense Squad.

[Seelie]

If you'll forgive the thread necromancy...

The real problem with the idea is that by the storyline the aliens in TFTD are in hibernation until after the great brain on Mars is killed. What would be best to mix the two games is to have the first game lead directly into the second. So when the great brain wakes up the aquatoids there are no new x-com 1 alien bases that show up, but the old ones are still active until dealt with. Including spawning terror missions and other sorts of activity for however long they last. Instead of starting over losing your plasma guns and armor and psychic training, and soldiers, there's a little bit of time before the first aquatoid strike. Then there's the shakedown time until X-com can adapt to counter the underwater threat. Until this point only generate land-based missions, such as the cruise ships and terror missions. Don't do the uniquely under-water missions yet.

Then, after like one or two months, or even until a tech is researched that opens access to the flying subs and other "starting" TFTD gear, you start moving to access the TFTD gameplay. Some countries would already have given in to the Martians. Probably with the death of the great brain you'd want to give them a small chance to return. Many will be at enhanced levels of funding. Good for you. You'll probably have multiple bases and very skilled soldiers. That's cool too. Some advantages, some disadvantages.

Once you get access to the underwater gear you start hitting the aquatoids and their minions hard. Too bad that plasma guns don't work under water, but you can still bring them to terror missions and so on. Same with lasers. You could even send a skyranger or avenger to a terror mission. Or have a ligtning trail a sub until it tried to jump over the land and shoot it down in the air. Then ahve a land-mission against them.

Since you have psychic powers early, accelerate the rate at which the underwater heavies show up, and maybe pump their psychic resistance a tad. Also, you could start out with some brutal early base assaults, perhaps double the number of aliens and always a few infiltrated into the deep parts of your base. Make it very likely that the player loses 1 or 2 bases right at the start of the TFTD story arc.

This way the game leads naturally into TFTD and continuity is preserved. Such as funding nations, which soldiers you have to fight with, which techs you've gained and so on. There's no reason to re-research terror mission tech, for example. But the space shuttle makes a really crappy submarine. So would the Avenger. So would flight armor. Power suits aren't built for underwater combat, but they work just fine on the surface. Get some alien tech and learn how to make the under-water versions. And so on. Give the aliens 10-20% resistance to plasma and laser weapons to encourage the use of TFTD gauss and sonic gear, but let you replace the need for using spear guns on land by keeping your leftover plasma and lasers.

I think it can work quite well.

[gangsta]

That can perhaps be added as an option of game play later on.. But what most of us have in mind I think is just to scrap the diffrence in the timeline of the first two x-coms and make it so that the game happens in the X-Com 1 timeline with the water aliens being part of the invasion force.

[Seelie]

Why? Seems to me like a waste of a great storyline. Not to mention a great surprise ending. Honestly, how did you feel the first time you beat X-com one and instead of a "happily ever after" that beam of light hit the ocean and they left you with the "there's something even worse waiting for you..." ? Why take that away from the game?

[gangsta]

Ok I agree. I posted that before I posted the ideas in the new Multiplayer Ideas thread. We have come up with an idea where there will be several diffrent modes that change rules in the geoscope only. Read that thread and post your idea under the title X-Com: Xenocide - (Your Title Here)

[gangsta]

yup.. and with the mode system it will be easy to modify the version with both threats so you can also play x-com 1 and 2. As for the combined mode.. at first we will only see sectoids in water.. I suggest calling them sectoids on land and in water.

[gangsta]

What is really diffrent between a sectoid and an aquatoid? You mean in 65 million years they didn't evolve at all. We know aquatoids can go both on land (terror zones) and under the water. The look exactly alike. they do exactly the same thing.. There really is no diffrence between sectoids from X-Com 1 and Aquatoids from X-Com 2 except for the name. Sectoids still even have webbed feet.. if there was really 65 million years of evolution here then I doubt that.. To me they are the same species and it would be alot easier just to give them one name. Code wise sectoids could be the first alien we add and they will be able to fight in both above and underwater crash sites.

[gangsta]

Well I think that is mainly because they don't have underwater terror missions. Remeber in X-Com 2 UFO's that crash on land disapear but terror missions still are on land. I really don't see a diffrence between sectoids and aquatoids in what they do. The UFOPedia in X-Com 1 even says they have webbed feet. Since both species act the same I think it would be simple to have the game start out mostly by sending out sectoids at the start and then add the other aliens as time progresses. Otherwise we'll have two aliens that look and act exactly alike being able to be shot down on earth and water that do the same thing..

[gangsta]

Well right now we are only sure about getting the X-Com one models from our last hope friends. We have limited resources to work with here and modeling can take as long as programming.

[War_Lord]

Arrghh.. in case anyone was wondering, that was me that just posted (without remembering to log in, as usual).

I also wanted to mention that while it would probably be just as likely to crossbreed something like a Muton maybe, I think it just seems cooler to crossbreed with sectoids because it seems more "real" to me. I dunno, maybe I'm crazy, but I think the idea of something like a half-sectiod could blend in more with society.

[margant]

Just so that you know. DNA of already existing creator can not be altered (i..e. Spider man is bogus) you can only cross-breed the DNA in the new lifeform that you grow or develop. Thusfar altering XCOM soldier's DNA would mean that we

1. Either have to create new kids that are cross-breed of sectoids and humans
2. Grow grown-ups (hm.. not sure if this is posible)
3. Just drop it because it might be to unreal

[Devatar]

Actually, if we plan on placing this story at a later timeline, like 50 years or so, we can incorporate nanotechnology into it. This would allow us to make hybrids out of our pre-existing soldiers without all the mess.

Plus, we can use nanotechnology as a basis for medikits and other cool stuff.

[margant]

Hm .. I kinda like the idea of hybrid human-robot more then human alien, there is something in what you are saying Devatar.