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#1 mikker

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Posted 29 May 2003 - 12:45 PM

laser pistol, made of deimos' design

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#2 Deimos

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Posted 29 May 2003 - 02:47 PM

Nice start on the laser pistol Mikker. For tweaking it up, if you look at the desert Eagle for reference it should give you an idea of how the barrel slide works in relation to the rest of the gun. It has that almost triangular look to it, like the DE. The grip area seems a bit too rounded I don't know whether that's because of the angle of the shot or not :) Still good stuff and quick too.

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Posted 29 May 2003 - 03:26 PM

thanks :) Ill edit the trigger.

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Posted 29 May 2003 - 03:49 PM

We should also consider how the laser weapon looks will tie together to each other, and still be a little different from standard tech. Since there's no clips for the lasers, maybe the main chamber has a different shape to acomodate the energy source in some way? It shouldn't be too far out though since it's a human research field and doesn't require any alien tech. So maybe the power source is some in-line device, or is still in the handle. Laser weapons could just all have a polished metal look o them and that be it as well.

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Posted 29 May 2003 - 04:29 PM

Well if you look at the original, the power unit is actually housed under the barrel (the bronze looking thing). OS it is quite different to other human tech. I suggested looking at the DE as that was the base for my design :)

The 'slide' area doesn't slide but is fixed and the front grip area is made of a plastic and is quite rounded. The gun is a considerable amount wider than a conventional gun to allow for the acceleration chamber.

The muzzle will actually be a two way mirror for the laser to come out of and will spin round like a zoom lens to refocus for different ranges.

Under the hand grip is the heaviest piece which would be a block of lead or something for balancing. Hence the shape at the bottom of the grip.

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Posted 03 June 2003 - 05:57 AM

i :wub: those guns.

I have opdated the laser gun. 422 polys.

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 08:12 AM

shuckeroonies LOL. i made something on the laser pistol, but when it said "do you want to save the changes?" i clicked no :cussing:

I manneged to take a screenshot before it happened.


Edit: phew. i had remembered to save just before. The only change was a change in the perspective.

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 08:56 AM

If the laser pistol get's the same straight edges along the side look that the G11 has, they would go along very nicely.

gambino, doesn't that clip look a little flat? Aren't there suppsosed to be things on the side?

But if it's going to be the laser rifle, heck, just reverse to your previous model and call it a day :P.

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 08:57 AM

hmmm.....a infra red laser beam?

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Posted 07 June 2003 - 12:30 AM

Well if its used for laser rifle then it wont need clip, but it looks imo better with it. Scope could then be more like in OICW. So all nice gadgets would fit in.

I like to see that guy to try shooting from hip with that gun :) . Really bad a_ss looking gun.
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Posted 07 June 2003 - 03:35 AM

I thought a little about the rills in the front. Even if it look good, it is very hard to make it look right. I think it look terrible, and thought about deleting it.

What do you think about the laser sight? does the pistol need it? is the location good?

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Posted 08 June 2003 - 11:32 AM

I wouldn't worry about a laser sight on the laser pistol. If you want it, maybe make it a half cylinder that sits flush to the bottom of the pistol. You could also just say that there's a small button on the side of the grip where your thumb would rest, you push it in to emit a laser sight beam out of the barrel. Pulling the trigger makes that beam quite a bit stronger... ^_^

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Posted 08 June 2003 - 03:22 PM

I was gonna say, rather than a sight have a laser pointer. But Breu beat me to the punch. I think it would be better as a seperate unit clipped onto the pistol. The beam would be in the UV region and the visor on the operatives helmet could be polarised so that only the operatives can see the targetting beam.

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Posted 10 June 2003 - 06:19 AM

Ok. I'll dump it :D

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Posted 10 June 2003 - 06:27 AM

another thing: i have pushed the upper-front part of the gun in. Does it look good, our should i move into the same thickness as the rest?

a 3rd thing: Again, the ll ll ll ll's on the side, can i get a reply on them? should i delete them?

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Posted 10 June 2003 - 06:51 AM

I think that pushed-in piece looks good. It does make it somewhat more organic looking IMHO, but it's still straight enough for the "human style"
And I also like those edges on the side, and those could be a "trademark" for the laser-family like the spikes are for the plasma-family.
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Posted 11 June 2003 - 05:50 AM

after loads of sweat bringing days and hours (really, it took me a few minuttes), i have fixed the rills! Weeee! :party:

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Posted 11 June 2003 - 06:24 AM

going the right way for sure.

The rifle is tall and thin you could try grabbing the verts on the top half of the barrel and moving them up. also the grip could do with rounding off. it looks a bit wide for a hand to go round.

Good work tho. keep going.

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Posted 11 June 2003 - 08:45 AM

ok....hmm....from where should i move it up?

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Posted 11 June 2003 - 10:38 AM

mebbee like dis

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Posted 11 June 2003 - 12:15 PM

Mikker. I liked the pistol before you made these last rounds of changes. now it ust looks like a normal gun with a integrated laser sight.

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Posted 11 June 2003 - 04:04 PM

Do you mean more like this perhaps? Which would match the rifle better?

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Posted 11 June 2003 - 04:46 PM

yeah thats the idea. :)

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Posted 11 June 2003 - 05:14 PM

Here's a comparison of the concept pic and the latest artist version. What I think the concept is showing is the main barrel having a diamond profile if looked at from the front, with the bottom of the diamond being flatter than the top. The latest pics are making it more of a square barrel, which I agree makes it look like a standard pistol. I suggest rotating the body 45 degrees on the main axis to get that diamond look to it. I also think the entire upper body of the gun should have that porfile, rather than having the back of the gun square up, which makes that transition a little awkward IMO.

The other item that comes to mind is the grip, it needs to be at least half the width side to side than it currently is. It should be thinner than the rest of the gun.

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Posted 11 June 2003 - 09:26 PM

That is one nice looking pistol. :)

Seeing as it's laser tech, would it be possible to model in the focussing lens at the end of the barrel? Same goes for the other laser weapons. :)

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 12:05 AM

I know my concept sketch has drifted awa from Diemos's original. but that's the idea of concept sketches no? :D
Here's my thinking..

I like the H&K rifle that looks like a big slab of hardware with a handgrip bolted on. I thought that might a good "family look" for the lasers.

Mind you more of the look would come from the texturing with that black n chrome thing.

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 08:37 AM

LOL drewid, those look quite a bit huge for a pistol class

Brenour, I first used the pic for gun, but the trigger was quite bad. Drewid sugested me to change it, and i did.


Vaaish, Why do it look more bad then the last pic??? Is it the thing on top of the gun? I was taking a few looks at the laser rifle, and took the clear look on top of it, and removed it. I could easily bring it back, if thats the problem.


Breanour, a dimond look? hmm.... i made it 5 sided, but maybe it is just the viewpoint...?

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 09:02 AM

It looks as though you had made the end of the barel near the grip thinner and that causes the gun to appear as if it will snap in two.

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 09:51 AM

hmmmm i am not with you. The barrel, from the trigger and out, are narrower then the grip, or the back of the trigger. Is it that?


EDIT: i can see on the newest pic, that it looks very thin, but it is just the viewpoint, i have not edited the thickess of that area.

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 09:57 AM

LOL i was going to show you how it was thinner, but look at the result!


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Posted 12 June 2003 - 10:49 AM

not the from of the gun. I'm talking about where the barrel meets the grip it looks very thin there. Compare Drewids pic with yours and you will see what I am talking about.

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 11:55 AM

What I meant by diamond look was a bit more extreme I guess. Rather than the beveled top edges, the main profile of the barrel is diamond shaped, and works off of that. This pic hopefully explains what I meant by it. Perhaps that wasn't the idea, but some of your shots had a severe bevel on the top of the barrel, which enhanced this effect.

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 12:11 PM

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 12:21 PM

did it help?

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 02:49 PM

thats better, now where the trigger guard connects to the barrel it looks like it is pushed up too high and it is giving the impression that the gun is bent there.

for ease of referance could you post a side view as well as a perspective?

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 09:58 PM

That was the angle I was seeing, yes. Vaaish is right, check out the concept pick above, the silver barrel is level all the way back to the end. The grip would need to be an even thickness from top to bottom, rather than the taper it currently has. Since I do better with pictures than words sometimes, here's a shot.

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Posted 14 June 2003 - 03:44 AM

hmmm......ok, but it would be easier with the small "ledge" on the top.

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Posted 14 June 2003 - 03:52 AM

I don't know what you mean....If i make it straigh as before, it would bent.

Here is the screenshot form the side

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Posted 14 June 2003 - 09:18 AM

try dropping the the area I highlighted in red to look like the version on the right.

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Posted 14 June 2003 - 09:48 AM

hmm....ok.

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Posted 19 June 2003 - 05:53 AM

i've droped it, and i have also made improvements in the rear.

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Posted 19 June 2003 - 11:57 AM

I think the rear was more feisable before you made the changes to the rear grip. the way it looks now that back part of the grip would be quite uncomfortable to hold.

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Posted 19 June 2003 - 01:09 PM

hmmm....yeah. I'll see what i can change.


I just had the laser concept in the left screen view, and moddeled out of there :D. This is also far easier with textures.

I still need some more "conforting" of the grip, but its better in my opinion.

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Posted 19 June 2003 - 01:24 PM

i'll post it this time.

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Posted 29 June 2003 - 02:30 PM

hmmm...i decided to turn the odd-color laser pistol into a gray laser pistol.

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Posted 29 June 2003 - 03:00 PM

ah thank you... I can see it now :)

do you think you can render off a wireframe of the gun from a side view. there are some odd striations by the breech and I'd like to se the poly structure there.

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Posted 29 June 2003 - 07:18 PM

Those supports do look better for the barrel now. As to the pistol, it looks like there's a lot of polys meeting at the same vert towards the rear that could be causing the lighting variation. Perhaps adding another vert or two and reassigning the polys would help what I think Vaaish is referring to.

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Posted 29 June 2003 - 08:41 PM

Supports look good...still like the sharpening of the points to make melee weapon as well... -_- ...

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Posted 30 June 2003 - 06:11 AM

Ok.

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Posted 30 June 2003 - 06:23 AM

ok can you delete all the edges going up to that one point on the breech and then slice it horizontal near the bottom of the breech? that should tak care of the striations.