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#51 mikker

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Posted 30 June 2003 - 06:43 AM

you mean...

...like this?



the upper edge, is because the highelst piece is thinner then the lower, so i have to isolate that area. The front piece is also thinner.

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Posted 30 June 2003 - 08:51 AM

yeah kinda like that, now of those 3 triangles you have the one farthest towrd the muzzle try setting that in it's own shading group. Can you post it w/o the wireframe on this one so we can see how the shading groups are working now?

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Posted 30 June 2003 - 10:46 AM

ok.

...it isn't better.....hmmm...

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Posted 30 June 2003 - 11:14 AM

Ok, in the attached image the circled polys represent polys that need to be placed in separate shading groups to fix the striations.

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Posted 30 June 2003 - 12:57 PM

On Vaaish's last pic, perhaps if you unweld the far right poly in the red-circle group? That should help. You could try it on some of the others as well.

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Posted 21 July 2003 - 05:49 AM

nice pistol cubik.

Improvements in the front:

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Posted 25 January 2004 - 01:36 PM

a long awaited update on the laser pistol.

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#58 Whitewashed

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Posted 25 January 2004 - 02:10 PM

nice mikker! looks like the rendering could require some anti-aliasing though :wink:

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Posted 25 January 2004 - 02:14 PM

looking good. Can I get a side view of that, there is something odd about the trigger guard.

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Posted 25 January 2004 - 02:29 PM

Wow. Amazing. But what is the craft laser cannon going to look like? :huh?:
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 02:51 PM

THe pistol is coming along great! I have issues with the shape of the bottom of the handle. It seems clumsy... And I would like to suggest that you accentuate the change in shape of the upper receiver(sic) by putting in a ridge or a shelf that seperates it from the rounded top.... and then join the ridge to the square bit at the back...

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Here I go an angry brother gonna make his move
But can I buck him in the city so I never lose?
See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
And now I'm ready for my adversary, talk is cheap
I'm looking for a way to make a plan gonna keep it neat
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 10:55 AM

looking good. Can I get a side view of that, there is something odd about the trigger guard.

like this?

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#63 Vaaish

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Posted 26 January 2004 - 12:59 PM

perfect. the trigger guard looks awkward like they ran out of material to make it. try making it more like the trigger guard on a glock, eg more horizontal at the bottom portion and a starper turn to vertical. kinda like this:

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Posted 26 January 2004 - 08:51 PM

Also one slight nitpick that's been bothering me for quite a while...
The trigger on the laser pistol looks like it'd slice open the finger of the person firing the pistol...
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 05:40 AM

I like that model. I just wonder why is the previous version of it in deimos' topic "Completed Designs" if it wasn't even complete! Well anyways, good job mikker, can't wait to see that textured.
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Posted 27 January 2004 - 07:24 AM

The completed designs is for completed/approved concepts, not necessarily modeled, textured, and/or animated. Perhaps the trigger might seem better if it were solid, meaning that it goes straight back into the grip rather than being a seperate piece?

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Posted 27 January 2004 - 08:00 AM

If it was me doing it. I'd make the lines round the base of the handgrip look more parallel and deliberate, perhaps put a power pack in.

I couldn't make out from this angle what the thing on the back of the forestock was.
Handle straighter by moving the curve further up to the top, trigger and guard a bit beefier.

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Posted 27 January 2004 - 02:13 PM

perhaps put a power pack in.

I couldn't make out from this angle what the thing on the back of the forestock was.

that piece WAS the power pack :rolleyes:


yes, i think that your trigger gard looks better. lemme look at it.

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#69 mikker

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Posted 27 January 2004 - 02:21 PM

thanks for all the kind replys :)

what about this?

EDIT: fancy backpart

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Posted 27 January 2004 - 03:08 PM

What the... what did you do with it? try to get it more like drewid's pic, not the opposite. It should be more bulky with a longer thicker handle and shorter back part... now it looks like the front part weights much more than the rest of the gun and makes it unbalanced to shoot with...

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Posted 27 January 2004 - 06:32 PM

I like it Mikker, except for the funny thing right in front of the trigger guard.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 04:29 AM

I agree with whitewashed, I don't understand what did you do to the handle! But I like that latest version too. It's cool.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 07:20 AM

thicken up the handle and .... perfect!

Now everyone take a look back at the first model ever done in this thread.

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Posted 28 January 2004 - 08:34 AM

Mikker:
I know the usual is CTD change before model change, but since you're tweaking it anyway, here's something I'd like to bring to your attention...

In the laser pistol CTD, I said that the part under the barrel is where the radiators for the laser core is, and that the primary capacitor is in the handle, which matches Drewid's concept... Which I also think looks much cooler...
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 08:59 AM

So the extension in the front is a heat sink of sorts? I was also wondering what the switch/doodad in front of the trigger guard was.

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Posted 28 January 2004 - 10:37 AM

Looks like a safety toggle switch to me.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 12:50 PM

well, should i just delete it? or what? (for thte thingamabob)

oooh, i though drewid commented on the SHAPE of the trigger guard.

what about this then?

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Posted 28 January 2004 - 01:28 PM

try to make the back of the gun and grip match what Drewid posted up there. now it looks liek the back is unaturally enlongated.

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Posted 28 January 2004 - 01:42 PM

I agree with Vaaish, especially about the grip.

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Posted 28 January 2004 - 02:55 PM

Yes, grip and back as on drewids pic, it looks like a mean gun that way :laser:

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Posted 29 January 2004 - 12:47 AM

i will see what i can do, but i acturly tried to get it like drewids.

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 02:12 AM

The current pic makes the gun look very long and tall like a carbine almost. I would enlarge the handle and the trigger and trigger guard in order to scale the barrel down a bit. I like the proportions and the lines on the upper part better pre-drewids pic suggestions. If you could return the geometry to that configuration and encorperate drewid's suggestions, and perhaps lengthen the handle + make the trigger/guard larger, your design would look very convincing indeed.

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 10:10 AM

well, should i just delete it? or what? (for thte thingamabob)


Yeah, my recomendation would be to delete it... I remember that you initially put it there as the power pack, which should be in the pistol grip, if anywhere (Cause I wrote the CTD with the idea that the primary capacitor wasn''t designed to be swapped like a magazine in the first place...)

I also agree with Fux's comments.
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Posted 02 February 2004 - 10:33 AM

doodle for the pistol

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 11:34 AM

doodle for the pistol

you might want to check the art assets list, the pistol is already complete.

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 11:41 AM

doodle for the pistol

you might want to check the art assets list, the pistol is already complete.

Uh, I think he meant the pic as guidelines for the laser pistol :D

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 12:24 PM

what whitewashed said

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 01:49 PM

in that case it looks way to much like a ballistic based handgun with a laser sight. there porbably wouldn't be a need for it to have the hammer on the read since there isn't a firing pin that needs to be hit.

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 01:57 PM

yeah, lose the cirle at the back, and the other thing coming out the back is the safty

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 02:01 PM

ok, i will take a twist of it.

Though we might watch out for it bekomming too human.

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 02:10 PM

Looks like the original concept is getting kind of devolved. Just as a reminder here's my original concept pic that Mikker was basing the model off.

The bronze bit under the barrel is the high capacity 'battery' unit which slots in like a like a tape in a tape deck.
I put the battery there to counterbalance the weight of the capacitors in the grip which I envisioned were quite heavy and threw the gun's weight off.

Other than that the design was inspired by the DE for its size.

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 02:10 PM

Though we might watch out for it bekomming too human.

Well, the laser weapons are 100% human, you know

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 02:18 PM

Though we might watch out for it bekomming too human.

Well, the laser weapons are 100% human, you know

ok, then too "nowdays" human. it should be more "futoristic" human.

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 06:07 PM

The bronze bit under the barrel is the high capacity 'battery' unit which slots in like a like a tape in a tape deck.
I put the battery there to counterbalance the weight of the capacitors in the grip which I envisioned were quite heavy and threw the gun's weight off.

Hmm...
I'd figure that if the heaviest part (i.e. the capacitors) are placed almost directly over the grip, it'd be the most balanced design for a handgun style weapon, and as such, won't require a counter balance beneath the barrel(IMHO, that actually unbalances the gun).

Given that gravity works straight down, having most of the weight concentrated in the grip works best as then it'll be easier to support the weight. The user'd just have to hold the weapon. If the weight of the gun was "spread out" the whole design, the user'd be force to support both the front and the back(Think of a lever with similiar weights over both ends with the user holding on to one end.
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Posted 03 February 2004 - 05:13 PM

Forgive me if I got this wrong Tzuchan but it seems like you're saying pretty much what I said in my post. The capacitors are in the grip. The heaviest part is at the bottom of the gun (the capacitors). In comparison the battery pack is lightweight to them, but to balance the gun the battery is placed there to give the user a stable firing platform.

Most all of the rest of the gun is either circuit boards or the focussing lens' /firing assembly. Heck most of the gun could be made out of lightweight thermoplastic as it doesn't have to withstand the repeated high levels of mechanical stress a ballistic pistol has to.

There wouldn't be any kick to the weapon so the weight has to be distributed around the weapon in such a way to give the operator the reassurance that it is a proper weapon and not just a toy.

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Posted 03 February 2004 - 05:36 PM

he heaviest part is at the bottom of the gun (the capacitors). In comparison the battery pack is lightweight to them, but to balance the gun the battery is placed there to give the user a stable firing platform.

Modern supercapacitors are made of aerogel,(lightest material ever) loaded with carbon dust. (also very light) They aren't that heavy, compared to Nickel-Metal-Hydride batteries. (solid metal/liquids)
If you check out the reallife (but weak) gauss pistol in this thread, you'll notice that the batteries are in the handle, and the capacitors are everywhere else.

Older capacitors were much heavier, because they were made of a metal coil and electrolyte liquid. The new supercapacitors are much lighter, and about 100K times better(no fooling!) for their size.

--Edit: They're also much more expensive. Aerogel isn't cheap, but I dunno if it's 100K times more expensive...:)--

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Posted 04 February 2004 - 07:22 AM

I think we might be getting a bit too detailed here, seeing as we are building a 3d model rather than a working prototype.

Q) Does the last one Mikker did >look< balanced.
A) No it looks a bit barrel heavy

Solution, make the grip a bit bigger .

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Posted 04 February 2004 - 07:44 AM

Something else affecting the look of your pics Mikker, change the camera focal length in your viewport. It looks like it's set to 65mm or something high, which warps the view when objects are close to the lens. Set it to 25-35 for a more realistic look. But on top of that, yeah the grip should become heavier compared to the barrel.

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Posted 04 February 2004 - 01:58 PM

Something else affecting the look of your pics Mikker, change the camera focal length in your viewport. It looks like it's set to 65mm or something high, which warps the view when objects are close to the lens. Set it to 25-35 for a more realistic look. But on top of that, yeah the grip should become heavier compared to the barrel.

i don't get what you mean....i havn't scaled any of my models.

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Posted 04 February 2004 - 02:43 PM

This is the same model viewed at the same angle. The left pic is taken at 65mm, the right side is at 25mm and zoomed back a little sit it would fit. As you can see the proportions are a little warped between them. I've seen a rifle that looked like it was bent in the middle because this setting was really high. If you pistol pics are taken at any kind of angle (barrel closer to the camera than the handle) and this setting is over 30, it will make the barrel look bigger than it really is.

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