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#1 Cpl. Facehugger

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 01:57 PM

This is as the title suggests, the first draft of the avalanche missile. Please post your opinions and ways to improve! I have also provided a textfile attached with the same information.

Avalanche missile: Take 1

“The Avalanche; a derivative of the AMRAAM missile system was originally developed to engage large bombers at extreme range. It was designed shortly before the Gulf Reformation War, (good idea Warhamster!) for use on the US X-51. During the war, over 600 enemy aircraft were downed by Avalanches, The most impressive kill record of any ATA missile in the war. Soon after the war, however, it was deemed that the latest “rail-cannons” made ATA missiles obsolete. It was a then small arms company, the Buffalo weapons Fabrication Group that bought the patent for the Avalanche and began manufacturing the missiles. Later, with the Chinese resurgence it was discovered that magnetic “rail guns” were only accurate with in only miniscule ranges when compared to missiles. Fortunately, the BFG Company had released a new and improved missile, the Avalanche B. This missile performed above all expectations. In fact it is often credited with the total destruction of the Chinese air force. The latest Avalanche, the Avalanche D looks like it will continue the noble tradition set down by previous Avalanches. Recently, large numbers of Avalanches have been purchased by the U.N. As yet the reasons for this are unknown…” –James’ weapons, Vol. V.

The Avalanche D is currently the cutting edge in missile technology. A supercharged pulse detonation engine allows the Avalanche to reach speeds equal to smaller ATA missiles such as the Stingray even though the Avalanche is twice the size of the Stingray. For power, the Avalanche uses an enlarged version of the stable hydrogen fuel cell used in the Stingray. To increase maneuverability the Avalanche has 8 gel-fins placed strategically on the outer missile casing. These fins are constantly adjusted by the Avalanches onboard computer system. The Avalanches’ nose is made of a Composite of depleted Uranium 236 and Tungsten to provide penetration that could only be imagined previously. The Avalanches’ warhead is a mix of RDM crystals and a cobalt-lithium core. The warhead’s explosive power is only surpassed by that of a tactical nuclear weapon. This missile’s onboard computer has the benefit of using a completely proprietary operating system, completely sidestepping many of the problems of the Stingray. The Avalanche D is the best weapon humanity has to offer at this time.

The Avalanche launcher is a pod containing 3 missiles. Unfortunately as the Avalanche is an active radar guided missile, the firing aircraft’s radar can only guide 2 missiles at once.

“As good as I thought the Stingray was, the Avalanche is better. Sure the Stingray could chew through the smaller UFOs, but once the big ones start showing up the Stingray becomes as useless as a model rocket! The Avalanche lets us take the fight to all but the biggest UFOs, and win!” – Flight officer Andrew Macdow

“It’s all about customer satisfaction!” –Carlos Carroll-Teal, CEO, Buffalo fabrication of arms Group

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 02:19 PM

“It’s all about customer satisfaction!” –Carlos Carroll-Teal, CEO, Buffalo fabrication of arms Group

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 02:30 PM

Do you think that Chinese might be offended reading that their air forces will be destroyed in the future? <_<

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 02:36 PM

Ok, I will change it to the Asian hegemony. Hows that?
Just give me a second.

Avalanche missile: Take 2

“The Avalanche; a derivative of the AMRAAM missile system was originally developed to engage large bombers at extreme range. It was designed shortly before the Gulf Reformation War, (good idea Warhamster!) for use on the US X-51. During the war, over 600 enemy aircraft were downed by Avalanches, The most impressive kill record of any ATA missile in the war. Soon after the war, however, it was deemed that the latest “rail-cannons” made ATA missiles obsolete. It was a then small arms company, the Buffalo weapons Fabrication Group that bought the patent for the Avalanche and began manufacturing the missiles. Later, with the emergence of the Asian Hegemony it was discovered that magnetic “rail guns” were only accurate with in only miniscule ranges when compared to missiles. Fortunately, the BFG Company had released a new and improved missile, the Avalanche B. This missile performed above all expectations. In fact it is often credited with the total destruction of the Hegemony air force. The latest Avalanche, the Avalanche D looks like it will continue the noble tradition set down by previous Avalanches. Recently, large numbers of Avalanches have been purchased by the U.N. As yet the reasons for this are unknown…” –James’ weapons, Vol. V.

The Avalanche D is currently the cutting edge in missile technology. A supercharged pulse detonation engine allows the Avalanche to reach speeds equal to smaller ATA missiles such as the Stingray even though the Avalanche is twice the size of the Stingray. For power, the Avalanche uses an enlarged version of the stable hydrogen fuel cell used in the Stingray. To increase maneuverability the Avalanche has 8 gel-fins placed strategically on the outer missile casing. These fins are constantly adjusted by the Avalanches onboard computer system. The Avalanches’ nose is made of a Composite of depleted Uranium 236 and Tungsten to provide penetration that could only be imagined previously. The Avalanches’ warhead is a mix of RDM crystals and a cobalt-lithium core. The warhead’s explosive power is only surpassed by that of a tactical nuclear weapon. This missile’s onboard computer has the benefit of using a completely proprietary operating system, completely sidestepping many of the problems of the Stingray. The Avalanche D is the best weapon humanity has to offer at this time.
The Avalanche launcher is a pod containing 3 missiles. Unfortunately as the Avalanche is an active radar guided missile, the firing aircraft’s radar can only guide 2 missiles at once.
“As good as I thought the Stingray was, the Avalanche is better. Sure the Stingray could chew through the smaller UFOs, but once the big ones start showing up the Stingray becomes as useless as a model rocket! The Avalanche lets us take the fight to all but the biggest UFOs, and win!” – Flight officer Andrew Macdow

“It’s all about customer satisfaction!” –Carlos Carroll-Teal, CEO, Buffalo fabrication of arms Group

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 03:16 PM

Also, I believe the regular (NATO) designation for an air-to-air missile is AIM, not ATA
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Posted 18 August 2003 - 03:19 PM

Well MY designation is ATA :D
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Posted 18 August 2003 - 07:34 PM

Uhm... The Gulf Reformation Wars was Capt. Boxershorts' idea.

It's a good entry. Comments...

1) maybe we can put in semi-active optical target identification somewhere. I just like the term.

2) Maybe a there's way we can tie this into the interceptor's targetting system. Maybe the interceptor identifies and locks target and downloads it into the missile's on board targetting do-hickney. Making the missile a true fire and forget.

3) Just an FYI: short range missles tend to be slower but much more agile than long range missles, especially since most long range air to air missiles tend to destroy targets beyond the visual range.

4) You could select a new name for your missile now.

5) Last coment, I hope you don't react wrong to this, but your stingray entry was a little more elaborate. I liked that entry.

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 07:44 PM

Thats okay, I ran out of creative juice for the day.

Well, I said that the interceptor needs to guide the missile itself (thats why only 2 avalanches can be in the air at a time. It is not a fire and forget missile.)

I didn't change the name because , uhh, no one would ever understand me if I said Devestator rocket and meant avalanche. This is easily changed.

It was Cpt. Boxershorts' idea? well then, I will need to change my credit. :D

As I said, I don't know too much about science, or avaionics for that matter. So I know diddly about flight characteristics (sp?)

And about the semi-active optical target identification, I will try to find a place for it somewhere (as in one of the many x-net entries I plan to write, maby this one. :D)

I realize that the avalanche, err i mean the xxxxx needs some more tech stuff to flesh it out. Thats why I needed help on this missile.

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Posted 19 August 2003 - 03:15 AM

The problem is: missiles nowadays are almost all fire-and-forget missiles, so does technology actually take a step back or why are these still guided by the ships radar?
Maybe we can blame the refire rate on the internal weapon bays? I don't know how fast a F22 can fire missiles from them though. Or maybe all data are double checked to practically assure a one shot one kill (against a human airplane that is ^_^ ) Or maybe they are modified for Xcom use, as the UFO's are to hard to track for any on-board missile guidance system, so the aircraft's more powerful radar is required for that?
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Posted 19 August 2003 - 07:33 AM

Thank you j'ordos! thats it! Just what I needed!

Edit: I will attach a doc file with the latest revision.

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Posted 20 August 2003 - 04:09 PM

Wouldn't it be easier (and probably more realistic) to say it cant launch them very fast because it is an internal launcher, which can only launch on at a time?

Just a suggestion.

Also are they actually going to have a tactical nuclear device?
currently, nukes have no tactical use on the battlefield, and I sure hope they never will.

Edit: never mind

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Posted 20 August 2003 - 04:12 PM

No you misunderstood me. I said that only a tactical nuclear weapon is more powerful than the avalanche in terms of explosive power (or a fusion missile)
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Posted 22 August 2003 - 11:10 AM

There, I have fixed the avalanche and added some stuff. So, please give your thoughts on it. I will also post it for anyone who doesn't want to download it. Be warned though, it is fairly long.

Avalanche missile: Take 4

“The M12 Avalanche; a derivative of the AMRAAM missile system was originally developed to engage large bombers at extreme range. It was designed shortly before the Gulf Reformation War, for use on the US X-51. During the war, over 600 enemy aircraft were downed by Avalanches, The most impressive kill record of any ATA missile in the war. Soon after the war, however, it was deemed that the latest “rail-cannons” made ATA missiles obsolete. It was a then small arms company, the Buffalo weapons Fabrication of arms Group that bought the patent for the Avalanche and began manufacturing the missiles. Later, with the emergence of the Asian Hegemony it was discovered that magnetic “rail guns” were only accurate with in only miniscule ranges when compared to missiles. Fortunately, the BFG Company had released a new and improved missile, the Avalanche B. This missile performed above all expectations. In fact, it is often credited with the total destruction of the Hegemony air force. After the treaty of Beijing that ended the hegemony as a power, even more improvements were made to the Avalanche. This resulted in the Avalanche C, which was used heavily against Islamic Liberation Army targets deep within the Middle East. The ILA, a radical group of Islamic fundamentalists instigated Operation: Terror’s end by detonating a ‘dirty’ nuclear weapon in New York City. It was this act that marked the end of organized Islamic fundamentalism, Terror’s End rooted out virtually all terrorist sympathizers and ended the existence of several ‘Terror States.’ The Avalanche C was key in this conflict, engaging ILA Hind helicopters, Mig 29 Fulcrums, F15s, and F14s. The Avalanche was vital in achieving air superiority over the Middle East. When key terrorist leaders attempted to flee the Middle East, it was an Avalanche that brought down their private jet. The latest Avalanche, the Avalanche D looks like it will continue the noble tradition set down by previous Avalanches. Recently, large numbers of Avalanches have been purchased by the U.N. As yet the reasons for this are unknown…” –James’ weapons, Vol. V.

The Avalanche D is currently the cutting edge in missile technology. A supercharged pulse detonation engine allows the Avalanche to reach speeds equal to smaller ATA missiles such as the Stingray even though the Avalanche is twice the size of such missiles. For power, the Avalanche uses an enlarged version of the stable hydrogen fuel cell used in the Stingray. To increase maneuverability the Avalanche has 8 gel-fins placed strategically on the outer missile casing. These fins are constantly adjusted by the Avalanches onboard computer system. The Avalanches’ nose is made of a Composite of depleted Uranium 236 and Tungsten to provide penetration that could only be dreamt of previously. The Avalanches’ warhead is a mix of RDM crystals and a cobalt-lithium core. The warhead’s explosive power is the greatest possible in a non-nuclear weapon. The missile has been tested against all known aircraft, and not one survived a hit from the Avalanche. Like the Stingray, the Avalanche D’s warhead can be set for proximity, impact, and timed detonations. This missile’s onboard computer has the benefit of using a completely proprietary operating system, sidestepping many of the problems of the Stingray. The Avalanche D is the best conventional weapon humanity has to offer at this time.

The Avalanche launcher is a pod containing 3 missiles. The Avalanche D is a Fire and Forget missile capable of tracking the most maneuverable human aircraft in existence.

CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET: X-Corps Tactical Update: the Avalanche launcher is not capable of tracking the unpredictable moves of UFOs unless it is linked to the interceptor’s radar system. This means that only two Avalanches can be guided at one time, otherwise the interceptor’s radar would overload. If the Avalanche is not guided by the craft’s radar, it will have a significantly reduced probability to hit (1-2%) thus, it is necessary to guide the missile to its target to have any realistic chance of hit.


“As good as I thought the Stingray was, the Avalanche is better. Sure the Stingray could chew through the smaller UFOs, but once the big ones start showing up the Stingray becomes as useless as a model rocket! The Avalanche lets us take the fight to all but the biggest UFOs, and win!” – Flight officer Andrew Macdow

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Posted 23 August 2003 - 07:18 PM

Supercharging is a method of forced aspiration for internal combustion engines that pumps air into the engine's intake. The difference between superchargers and turbochargers is that supercharger connect to and are driven by the car's fanbelt (whereas a turbocharger is powered by the pressure in a car's exhaust system).

Since this system is supposedly a supersonic missile, there won't be any need for forced induction..

And the amraam is a rocket propelled missile- I don't think they would develop a PDE missile from a Rocket motor driven missile. It would be like developing a rocket car out of a regular car. You'd have to change so much that you might as well start from scratch, considering the shape of the missile would have to be changed greatly to accomodate an intake, etc.

I don't think that PDE's are super powerful, I think they are supposed to be super efficient. I think that a solid fuel rocket would be sufficient for a missile since developing a complex and expensive propulsion system for something that's meant to blow up is a kind of a waste.

Edited by fux0r666, 23 August 2003 - 08:16 PM.


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Posted 23 August 2003 - 07:29 PM

Hmmm... My internal weapons bay is causing some problems for your missiles.

In defence, an aircraft has to be in 'clean' mode to be able to reach the proposed mach 3.5 speeds, as well as retain its stealth capabilities. Hence the internal weapons bay.

Now, in a dog fight, we'll presume you'll have to drop to hi sub-sonic speed to engage an opponent. This is when the weapons bay opens and the missiles can launch with ease. Is that logical enough, or do I have to re-edit my entry to explain that?

I have another concern with regards to the aircraft in xcom. If you noticed in xcom 1, the aircraft doesn't affect the accuracy of the weapon. Now i suppose this could be defended by saying that there was no major upgrade with regards to targetting and detection in the aircrafts, but would it be more logical if we learned to target the aliens with technology we got from them? do I make sense?

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Posted 23 August 2003 - 08:26 PM

You don't launch long range missiles in a dogfight. In most instances pilots never even see the aircraft they destroy. Dropping to subsonic speeds would be suicide since aerial engagements are all about energy management. The aircraft with the most energy has the advantage (the higher, the faster, the better). I would just have the bays open like they do in the f22 in super cruise. If you're launching a missile, stealth is over anyways, because you're using active sensors to aquire the target.

The MiG-25 isn't super clean, and it blasts off to mach 3.

Anything can be targetted by radar guided missiles provided that it reflects radio waves.

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Posted 23 August 2003 - 08:35 PM

That's the point of stealth innit? To absorb the radar waves so that it appears that they are flyin off into space? I could be wrong tho.

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Posted 23 August 2003 - 08:41 PM

Uhh, Warhamster, I don't know what your asking. What do you mean? I figured the pods would be stored inside the interceptor's hull and would be extended when firing was necesary. If you want, I can change it.

Also, you do make sense WH, but I also figured that the ufo nav/targeting system would be too large for the interceptor. But this too I can change. I included it more for fluff text than for anything eles.

Also, fux0r, I think that in the future, when solid fuel (petrol derivatives) will run out (this was vaguely mentioned in the Xc1 interceptor entry, so, PDEs run off hydrogen are the sci fi way to go. I mean, sure it is easier to use solid fuel, but it is more advanced sounding to use Pulse Detonation Engine instead of Solid fuel rocket.

Also, the Avalanche D is modified to target ufos, so it needs to be fast and efficient. Ufos don't reflect radio waves very well at all, (must be that irridium sheen :D) so thats why one moment they are there, the next they are gone. I think.
Also, I will update all my missiles to be much faster. I realize mach 2 was a bit too slow. :D
Next update any day now. I'll attach it to this post via edit.
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Posted 23 August 2003 - 08:57 PM

I don't think that we will run out of solid fuel in the next 10-15 years somehow, and I doubt that engines would have come 2 far in that time.

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Posted 24 August 2003 - 12:16 AM

Solid fuel rockets can run on salt peter and sugar.

.. you think we would run out of things like gunpowder? Solid rocket fuel isn't petroleum based, knuckle head.

If we couldn't detect ufos we wouldn't have any means of track them in the first place to target them, splash them and then learn anything about them leading us to develop a way to detect them.

Oh, and btw, the PDE's in development currently run off of kerosene plus an excellerant.

Edited by fux0r666, 24 August 2003 - 12:21 AM.


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But can I buck him in the city so I never lose?
See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
And now I'm ready for my adversary, talk is cheap
I'm looking for a way to make a plan gonna keep it neat
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
'cause all I want to see is m****f***ing brains hanging


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Posted 24 August 2003 - 08:14 AM

Oh, well I know very little about missiles, nor solid fuel. But I decided on a pde run of hydrogen, because I imagine that gasolene and such will be used less due to enviromental concerns and lack of oil. And you can run a rocket off salt peter and sugar, that mere makes a large artilery shell doesn't it? One large blast and its off, no more propellant than the salt peter which gets used up rather quickly. I could be wrong though.

I said that ufos can't be tracked very well, they can still be detected though. IRL ufos just seem to pop up one moment, fly around, then next moment they are gone from radar.
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Posted 24 August 2003 - 01:59 PM

You've never made explosives, have you? Heh. My point was that there is a lot out ways to propel a missile out there that would be more cost efficient than putting a cutting edge technology engine on something that flies for a second and a half and then blows up.

Here I go an angry brother gonna make his move
But can I buck him in the city so I never lose?
See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
And now I'm ready for my adversary, talk is cheap
I'm looking for a way to make a plan gonna keep it neat
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
'cause all I want to see is m****f***ing brains hanging


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Posted 24 August 2003 - 02:23 PM

OMG Facehugger, u've never made explosives? ^_^

True tho, that u wouldn't put loads of money into propultion of a missile when it's gonna explode. Tracking, yes, but not propultion. And we are talking 10-15 years in the future, not 100. Finite resources aren't THAT close 2 running out we got enough 2 last us at least 100 years at the current rate we are using it so conservation isn't a problem. The greenhouse effect is a far more pressing problem than when the fuel runs out.

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Posted 31 August 2003 - 07:10 AM

Well, what other engine should I use? Preferably not a solid fuel rocket, becuase that doesn't sound very modern.
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Posted 31 August 2003 - 07:37 AM

It doesn't sound modern, but liquid fueled missiles were also developed in WW2 (A4, better known as V2, Vergeltungswaffe 2=Vengeance Weapon 2)

Solid Fuel rockets are generally faster than Liquid Fuel Rockets, but this comes at the price of having a much shorter range (IIRC)
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Posted 03 September 2003 - 08:49 AM

Hey Cpl, I'm proofing the text per your request in another thread, and have the following questions, some of which might be answered in other CT. The attached text will have the following suggestions and grammar changes included.

Is the Asian Hegemony mentioned in CT somewhere prior to its mention here? We'd want to make sure it was explained as part of a background prior to its casual reference here so the player isn't left scratching their head. I agree with the previous comment about putting certain governments in a negative light, perhaps the Hegemony could be a faction that Beijing itself put down using the missiles? But that's probably detailed in a different CT. Eh, may I strongly suggest the entry about blasting middle east terrorists be reworded? (I'm typing these comments as I read) If you want to keep the reference to the middle east, how about saying the Palestinian state's purchase allowed them to consolidate the differing militant factions into a cohesive peaceful group and prosper? (maybe our game can get the Nobel peace prize for solving the middle east conflict, eh? :D ) My main issue is that terrorist groups rarely have planes, unless CT explains that regional war between countries was caused by some group coming to power. The reference to all the aircraft the missile took out would suggest a conflict involing the USA, Russia, and others, and all sides had the missile, right? Or that all those craft were sold to the group or stolen and later shot down.

When mentioning the missile, I suggest it be in singular form rather than plural. That's just a move of the apostrophe. The warhead has RDM crystals, what does RDM stand for? Refer to it as "Rxxx Dxxx Mxxx (RDM) crystals" for clarity. The launcher pod might need a different description since the weapon bays are internal on the interceptor. I would explain in the XC-1 CT that the reload times are due to the loading mechanism and not the missile's tracking system. But you could also say the range and the UFO materials play a part in maintaining a weapons lock, and this slows down the fire rate as well. Since the stingray requires a shorter range, the weapons lock is easier to maintain and gives the shorter reload time.

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Posted 03 September 2003 - 01:16 PM

Thanks Bruenor. I have reworked the Avalanche (based hevaily on your modifications) So, here is the new and improved avalanche!

Edit: The hegemony is my creation. I tend to write my background as I go.

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Posted 10 October 2003 - 11:35 PM

Yay! Sifting through forgotten subjects!

Hmmm...Asian Hegemony sounds like something that people wouldn't call themselves. What about the China Protectorate, or the Collective of Asian Republics, maybe the People's Asian Communist Hegemony? United Socialist States of Asia? (United States is actually used more than most 'Mericuns think, Mexico, for one, is actually the United States of Mexico).

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Posted 11 October 2003 - 06:49 AM

I will take your views into consideration.
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Posted 11 October 2003 - 07:51 AM

LOL facehugger! For a moment there, you sounded like one of those automatic e-mails replys.

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Posted 27 October 2003 - 08:40 AM

Hey facehugger, I was reading your Avalanche CTD again to search for the designation and contractor and such for use on the texture, but is it now Bernard Firearms Group or Buffalo Weapons Fabrication Group? And the official designation is M12?

Also, Classified AND Top Secret at the same time maybe is a bit much ^_^
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Posted 27 October 2003 - 02:03 PM

Ok. Here is the skinny,

BWF I didn't really like because It didn't start with B.F.G. Therefore it is now Bernard Firearms Group. :D There is no official designation, Just put what designation you want and I can edit my text to reflect that. M12 was basically a placeholder.

I put in the Classified Top Secret part to emphasize that only key people in the xcom command structure know about the avalanche's limitations. That information is on a need to know basis, and you Pvt Hick don't need to know!
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Posted 27 October 2003 - 02:15 PM

Yeah, but I ment they both (BWF and BFG) appear in the text (look at the quote from the CEO) ^_^
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Posted 27 October 2003 - 02:43 PM

Oops, I will rectify that. Please use BFG.
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Posted 27 October 2003 - 02:49 PM

Besides, why not Buffalo Firearms Group? :P
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Posted 27 October 2003 - 03:05 PM

Buffalo Firearms Group is good too. Ok, then next reprint I do, it will be Buffalo Firearms Group! :)
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Posted 27 October 2003 - 05:22 PM

There is no official designation, Just put what designation you want and I can edit my text to reflect that. M12 was basically a placeholder.

Very well, as of now the Avalanche shall be known as the AAM - 136, BFG designation B5227, xcom contract nr. F08635 - 82 - C - 001, manufacturing designation B5227 ASSY3020420 - 100 ^_^

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Posted 27 October 2003 - 05:45 PM

Very well, as of now the Avalanche shall be known as the AAM - 136, BFG designation B5227, xcom contract nr. F08635 - 82 - C - 001, manufacturing designation B5227 ASSY3020420 - 100


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Posted 28 October 2003 - 04:00 PM

Ok, I guess you've seen the mapped version by now, so I'll fill you in on how its parts are ordened, as warheads do not reside in the nosecone :whatwhat:
1. Guidance Section: nosecone and further down up to the yellow part
2. Warhead Section: yellow part
3. Propulsion Section: going from behind the warhead up to the rear fins (the blue marking at the rear, to be more precise)
4. Control Section: from that blue marking down to the exhaust

You may want to incorporate that in the CT, I got it from pics of real life missiles, so I'd think it's correct :huh:
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Posted 28 October 2003 - 04:01 PM

Ok, I'll try and find a way to incorporate it.
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Posted 06 July 2004 - 04:20 PM

Okay, I've gone back and rewritten the text. Here is the new and improved version. It's entirely done at this point, uses all the names and everything.

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 09:41 PM

I would change the avalanche from being a derivative of to the successor to the amraam as the avalanche doesnt seem to have anything in common with the amraam and make the f-22 the f-22b or c, the craft would have entered service and seen a few modifications.
Thrust vectoring paddles would be a nice addition to explain its incredible maneouverability.
If the missile is linked to the firing crafts radar system then it is not fire and forget.

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Titan missile: Hopefully the final version.

The M12 Titan missile is the cutting edge of Earth based aircraft weapons. It has a larger range than most other weapons, and it deals massive amounts of damage to even large targets. Unfortunately, due to the size and weight of its missiles, only three can be mounted per hard point or internal weapons bay.

Note: The dual weapons bays on an XC-1 Interceptor can only support 3 missiles per bay, similar to a hard point.



“The M12 Titan is a derivative of the AMRAAM missile system and was originally developed to engage large bombers at extreme range. It was designed shortly before the Gulf Reformation War, for use on the US F-22. During the war the Titan downed over 600 enemy aircraft, the most impressive kill record of any AAM missile in the war. However soon after the war it was deemed that the latest “rail-cannons” made AAM missiles obsolete. At that time a then small arms company, the Buffalo Firearm Group (BFG), bought the patent for the Titan and began manufacturing the missiles. The emergence of the Asian Liberation Army afterwards showed that magnetic rail guns were only accurate within miniscule ranges compared to missiles. Fortunately, BFG had released a new and improved variant, the Titan B. This missile performed above and beyond all expectations, and is often credited with the total destruction of the ALA air force. As U.N. and Chinese forces closed on the hegemony, the Titan B was proving its worth by achieving air superiority within the first few weeks of the ALA’s revolution from mainstream China. After the Treaty of Beijing ended the ALA as a power, additional improvements were made to the Titan. This resulted in the Titan C, which was used heavily against militant rebel and fundamentalist factions in the Middle East. Increased terrorist attacks within several Western countries, Israel, moderate Islamic nations, and the newly formed Palestinian state forged a strong alliance to root out these extremists. The Titan C was key in this conflict, engaging illegally purchased or stolen Hind helicopters, Mig 29 Fulcrums, F15s, and F14s. The Titan helped achieve air superiority during that extensive conflict. When key terrorist leaders attempted to flee the Middle East, it was the Titan that brought down their private jets. The current Titan D is poised to continue the noble tradition set down by previous members of the Titan series. Recently, large numbers of Titan Ds have been purchased by the United Nations. As yet the reasons for this are unknown…” –James’ weapons, Vol. V.

The Titan D is currently the cutting edge in missile technology. An enhanced engine allows the Titan to reach speeds equal to smaller air to air missiles such as the Sidewinder III yet provides twice the range and greater penetration. For propulsion the Titan uses an enlarged version of the stable hydrogen fuel cell used in the Sidewinder III. To increase maneuverability the Titan has 8 gel-fins placed strategically on the outer missile casing. These fins are constantly adjusted by the missile’s onboard computer system. The nose of the Titan is made of a composite of depleted Uranium 236 and Tungsten to provide penetration that could previously only be dreamt of. The Titan’s warhead is a mix of synthetic radial damage magnification (RDM) crystals and a cobalt-lithium core. The warhead’s explosive power is the greatest possible for a non-nuclear, AAM of its size. The Titan has been tested against all known aircraft, and no aircraft survived a direct hit. Like the Sidewinder, the Titan D’s warhead can be set for proximity, impact, and timed detonations. The missile’s onboard computer has the benefit of using a completely proprietary operating system, sidestepping many of the problems of the Sidewinder III. The Titan D is a Fire and Forget missile capable of tracking the most maneuverable human aircraft in existence, making it the best conventional aerial weapon humanity has to offer at this time.

The Titan launch system allows for up to three missiles to be loaded in each internal weapon bay of virtually any interceptor. However, if a craft lacks an internal weapons bay, then the Titan launch system can be purchased in a special missile pod version.

CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET: X-Corps Tactical Update: Due to the extreme maneuverability and alien materials used in the hulls of UFOs, modifications to the Titan launcher have been made to maximize accuracy at the cost of reducing the rate of fire. It is not capable of tracking the unpredictable moves of UFOs unless it is directly linked to the fighter’s radar system. Even then, only one Titan per launcher can be guided at one time


“As good as I thought the new Sidewinder was, the Titan is better. Sure, the Sidewinder could chew through the smaller UFOs, but once the big ones start showing up the Sidewinder becomes as useless as a model rocket! The Titan allows us to take the fight to all but the biggest UFOs, and win!” – Flight officer Andrew Macdow

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M12 TITAN "D" Is this a proper designation? MISSILE
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The M12 Titan missile is the cutting edge of Earth-based aircraft weapons. It has a larger range than most other weapons, and it deals massive amounts of damage to even large targets. Unfortunately, due to the size and weight of its missiles, only three can be mounted per hard point or internal weapons bay.

Note: The dual Each weapons bays on an XC-1 Interceptor can only support 3 missiles per bay, similar to a hard point. I'm still a bit  vague on the difference between weapons bays and hard points.  Is there an in-game difference?

The M12 Titan is a derivative of the AMRAAM missile system and that? was originally developed to engage large bombers at extreme range. It was designed shortly before the Gulf Reformation War, for use on the US F-22. During the war the Titan downed over 600 enemy aircraft, the most impressive kill record of any AAM missile in the war. However sSoon after the war, however, Changed to prevent weird comma use it was deemed that the latest “rail-cannons” made AAM missiles obsolete. At that time a then small arms company, the Buffalo Firearm Group (BFG), bought the patent for the Titan and began manufacturing the missiles.  The emergence of the Asian Liberation Army afterwards showed that magnetic rail guns were only accurate within miniscule ranges compared to missiles. Two things.  I'm not sure how the ALA showed that railguns were poor weapons (Were they equipped with them? Provide an example), nor how the military organizations of the world had previously overlooked this poor performance (didn't they do their tests?) and classified their Titan Missiles as obsolete (aren't weapons generally phased out rather than outright decommissioned?) Fortunately, BFG had released a new and improved variant, the Titan B.  This missile performed above and beyond all expectations, and is often credited with the total destruction of the ALA air force. As U.N. and Chinese forces closed on the hegemony I know what you mean, but what "hegemony" is referring to is a bit vague, the Titan B was proving its worth by achieving air superiority within the first few weeks of the ALA’s revolution from mainstream China.  After the Treaty of Beijing ended the ALA as a power, additional improvements were made to the Titan. This resulted in the Titan C, which was used heavily against militant rebel and fundamentalist factions in the Middle East. Increased terrorist attacks within several Western countries, Israel, moderate Islamic nations, and the newly formed Palestinian state forged a strong alliance to root out these extremists. The Titan C was key in this conflict, engaging illegally purchased or stolen Hind helicopters, Mig 29 Fulcrums, F15s, and F14s. The Titan helped achieve air superiority during that extensive conflict.  When key terrorist leaders attempted to flee the Middle East, it was the Titan that brought down their private jets. These are some rich terrorist organizations... The current Titan D is poised to continue the noble tradition set down by previous members of the Titan series. Recently, large numbers of Titan Ds have been purchased by the United Nations. Is this referring to the X-Corps? As yet, the reasons for this are unknown…” –James’ wWeapons, Vol. V.

The Titan D is currently the cutting edge in missile technology. An enhanced engine propulsion system? allows the Titan to reach speeds equal to smaller air-to-air missiles such as the Sidewinder III IIb yet provides twice the range and greater penetration. For propulsion propellant? the Titan uses an enlarged version of the stable hydrogen fuel cell used in the Sidewinder III IIb. To increase maneuverability the Titan has 8 Is this right? gel-fins placed strategically on the outer missile casing.  These fins are constantly adjusted by the missile’s onboard computer system. The nose of the Titan is made of a composite of depleted Uuranium-236 and Ttungsten to provide penetration that could previously only be dreamt of. The Titan’s warhead is a mix of synthetic radial damage magnification (RDM) crystals and a cobalt-lithium core. The warhead’s explosive power is the greatest possible for a non-nuclear, AAM of its size. The Titan has been tested against all known aircraft, and no aircraft survived a direct hit.  Like the Sidewinder, the Titan D’s warhead can be set for proximity, impact, and timed detonations.  The missile’s onboard computer has the benefit of using a completely proprietary operating system, sidestepping many of the problems of the Sidewinder III IIb.  The Titan D is a Fire and Forget missile capable of tracking the most maneuverable human aircraft in existence, making it the best conventional aerial weapon humanity has to offer at this time.

The Titan launch system allows for up to three missiles to be loaded in each internal weapon bay of virtually any interceptor. However, if a craft lacks an internal weapons bay, then the Titan launch system can be purchased in a special missile pod version.

CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET: Isn't this description from X-Corps?  Suggest deleting the "classified top secret" preface. X-Corps Tactical Update: Due to the extreme maneuverability and alien materials used in the hulls of UFOs, modifications to the Titan launcher have been made to maximize accuracy at the cost of reducing the rate of fire.  It is not capable of tracking the unpredictable moves of UFOs unless it is directly linked to the fighter’s radar system. Even then, only one Titan per launcher can be guided at one time.

“As good as I thought the new Sidewinder was, the Titan is better. Sure, the Sidewinder could chew through the smaller UFOs, but once the big ones start showing up the Sidewinder becomes as useless as a model rocket! The Titan allows us to take the fight to all but the biggest UFOs, and win!” – Flight officer Andrew Macdow

“It’s all about customer satisfaction!” –Carlos Carroll-Teal, CEO, Buffalo Firearm Group

This is all right. I personally think the historical aspect with the ALA is a little long and the phrase "cutting-edge" is used bit frequently, but I think this is nearly ready to go to the complete forum (if my understanding of the process is correct).

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TITAN HEAVY MISSILE
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The M12 Titan Heavy Missile is the cutting edge of aircraft weapons. It has a larger range than most other weapons, and it deals massive amounts of damage to even large targets. Unfortunately, due to the size and weight of its missiles, only three can be loaded per hard point or internal weapons bay.

Removed the “Earth-Based”, it’s fairly obvious, when X-Corps starts, it does not have nor it has seen any Alien tech yet, all starting technology is Earth-based.

Note: Each weapon bay on an XC-1 Interceptor can only support 3 missiles, similar to a hard point.

If I’m not mistaken, weapon bays (or missile launchers) are located in the hard points. So I don’t really see the point of this note and it is a little confusing, yes.

”The M12 Titan is a derivative of the AMRAAM missile system that was originally developed to engage large bombers at extreme ranges. It was designed shortly before the Gulf Reformation War, for use on the US F-22. During the war the Titan downed over 600 enemy aircraft, the most impressive kill record of any AAM missile in the war. Soon after the war, however, it was deemed that the latest “rail-cannons” made AAM missiles obsolete. At that time a then small arms company, the Buffalo Firearms Group (BFG), bought the patent for the Titan and began manufacturing the missiles. The emergence of the Asian Liberation Army afterwards showed that magnetic rail guns were only accurate within miniscule ranges compared to missiles.

Yes, I don’t really understand how it was deemed as obsolete later to be found not to be obsolete by the ALA army, how did everybody else missed that? And how the ALA showed that?

Fortunately, BFG had released a new and improved variant, the Titan B. This missile performed above and beyond all expectations, and is often credited with the total destruction of the ALA air force. As U.N. and Chinese forces closed on the hegemony, the Titan B was proving its worth by achieving air superiority within the first few weeks of the ALA’s revolution from mainstream China. After the Treaty of Beijing ended the ALA as a power, additional improvements were made to the Titan. This resulted in the Titan C, which was used heavily against militant rebel and fundamentalist factions in the Middle East. Increased terrorist attacks within several Western countries, Israel, moderate Islamic nations, and the newly formed Palestinian state forged a strong alliance to root out these extremists. The Titan C was key in this conflict, engaging illegally purchased or stolen Hind helicopters, Mig 29 Fulcrums, F15s, and F14s. The Titan helped achieve air superiority during that extensive conflict. When key terrorist leaders attempted to flee the Middle East, it was the Titan that brought down their private jets. I’m not liking the political issues this may arise, we shouldn’t touch the extremists and terrorists’ issue The current Titan D is poised to continue the noble tradition set down by previous members of the Titan series. Recently, large numbers of Titan Ds have been purchased by the United Nations. As yet, the reasons for this are unknown…” –James’ Weapons, Vol. V.

Yes, the purchase by the UN refers to the X-Corps, as the Project Xenocide is a covert organization, purchases are most likely to be done through the UN I think, that’s why. Political and terrorist issues are to be reviewed. Also... the “noble” tradition??

The Titan D is currently the most advanced missile technology available. An enhanced propulsion system allows the Titan to reach speeds equal to smaller Air-to-Air missiles such as the Sidewinder IIb yet providing twice the range and greater penetration. For propulsion, the Titan uses an enlarged version of the stable hydrogen fuel cell used in the Sidewinder IIb. To increase maneuverability the Titan has 8 gel-fins placed strategically on the outer missile casing. These fins are constantly adjusted by the missile’s onboard computer system. The nose of the Titan is made of a composite of depleted uranium-236 and tungsten to provide penetration that could previously only be dreamt of. The Titan’s warhead is a mix of synthetic radial damage magnification (RDM) crystals and a cobalt-lithium core. The warhead’s explosive power is the greatest possible for a non-nuclear, AAM of its size. The Titan has been tested against all known aircraft, and no aircraft survived a direct hit. Like the Sidewinder, the Titan D’s warhead can be set for proximity, impact, and timed detonations. The missile’s onboard computer has the benefit of using a completely proprietary operating system, sidestepping many of the problems of the Sidewinder IIb. The Titan D is a Fire and Forget missile capable of tracking the most maneuverable aircraft in existence, making it the best conventional aerial weapon humanity has to offer at this time.

Number of fins to be confirmed with AWD’s concept of the Titan missile. Sidewinder missile does not mention a hydrogen fuel cell…, AAM is Air-to-Air Missile, right?
Deleted “Human” in “…aircraft in existence”, you haven’t fought UFOs yet when you have these missiles.


The Titan launch system allows for up to three missiles to be loaded in each internal weapon bay of virtually any interceptor. However, if a craft lacks an internal weapons bay, then the Titan launch system can be purchased in a special missile pod version.

X-Corps Tactical Update: Due to the extreme maneuverability and yet unknown Alien materials used UFO hulls, modifications to the Titan launcher have been made to maximize accuracy at the cost of reducing the rate of fire. It is not capable of tracking the unpredictable moves of UFOs unless it is directly linked to the fighter’s radar system. Even then, only one Titan per launcher can be guided at one time.

“As good as I thought the new Sidewinder was, the Titan is better. Sure, the Sidewinder could chew through the smaller UFOs, but once the big ones start showing up the Sidewinder becomes as useless as a model rocket! The Titan allows us to take the fight to all but the biggest UFOs, and win!” – Flight officer Andrew Macdow

This fluff may have to go, you haven’t fought UFOs at the beginning of the game yet, not the smaller and certainly not the bigger ones. This entry has to make sense if you read it at the very beginning of the game when you have no clue on what is happening.

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May I point to the fact that "Complete" means "no rewrites as it is done"?
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Moved to Active, as sole exception, to be rewritten.

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May I point to the fact that "Complete" means "no rewrites as it is done"?
Sorry to be this bold, but we've been working and spending time correcting these texts, we cannot have the authors make rewrites as we work them.

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If you post conceptual/fluff/nonspelling problems with the text, I fix them. I don't see the problem here.

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