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Posted 27 February 2005 - 10:10 AM

This is my first draw of the Psionic Lab text... now go and destroy me... :(


The Psionic Laboratory

Since the early 30´s of the 20th century scientists have been working on the evaluation of psionic ability in humans. But only after the alien encounter we had actual proves for the existence of this power. It seems that some alien species produce a certain enzyme, which allows them to create and project strong pulses of brainwaves onto an intelligent target. Trying to implement these observations into a human usable device we found, that for a successful application of the Psionic amplifier a profound training of the soldier’s ability to concentrate – especially over longer periods - is crucial.

The Psionic Laboratory contains - beside a small neurochirugical operation room where the biointerface chip for the Psionic amplifier can be engrafted – ten small compartments with several devices allowing an effective training of the soldiers.
The main device is a so called Psionic projector which forces the trainees brain to constantly deal with changing psionic influences while his task is to rapidly adapt his own psionic output to a given pattern, training the soldiers ability to “formulate” his thoughts, thus not only raising his experience with his psi powers but also ensuring his possibility to use them even in highly stressing field situations. To strengthen the applicants ability to focus on a certain task new computer programs have been written which constantly monitor the users brain activity during the completion of these above mentioned and other focus improving tasks, allowing himself and his supervisor to observe the current state of the training and to modify the exercise routine as necessary. A newly developed brain interface machine reads the original brainwaves and those which are developed via the biointerface chip at the neck and – interfacing with the Psionic projector “reinject” them into the brain of the applicant allowing the user to develop maximum efficiency in using the chip.
In addition to this extensive psychological sessions are performed since we could confirm numerous personal problems evolving from excessive use of psionic powers.




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Protocol of psychological analysis of volunteer Capt. John Trondsen after 14 hours of excessive psionic training

Edited by Mad, 27 February 2005 - 10:17 AM.

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 01:27 PM

The Psionic Laboratory

Since the early 30´s of the 20th century scientists have been working on the evaluation of psionic ability in humans. But only after the alien encounter we had actual proves for the solid proof to support the existence of this power. Previous experiments into this field resulted in varying result but none were successful enough to condone additional funding to the field. However after close examination of certain alien beings it seems that some alien species produce a certain enzyme, which allows them to create and project strong pulses of brainwaves onto an intelligent target.

Trying to implement these observations into a human usable device we found, that for a successful application of the Psionic amplifier and its accompanying biointerface chip a profound training of the soldier’s ability to concentrate and control the biointerface – especially over longer periods - is crucial.

The Psionic Laboratory contains - beside a small neurochirugical operation room where the biointerface chip for the Psionic amplifier can be engrafted – ten small compartments with several devices allowing an effective training of the soldiers.
The main device is a so called Psionic projector which is effectivly a 'computerised' psi amp which  uses varying waveforms to forces the trainee's brain to constantly deal with changing psionic influences while his task is to rapidly adapt his own psionic output to a given pattern to counter such an influence, training the soldiers ability to “formulate” his thoughts, thus not only raising his experience with his psi powers but also ensuring his possibility to use them even in highly stressing field situations. To strengthen the applicants ability to focus on a certain task new computer programs have been written which constantly monitor the users brain activity during the completion of these above mentioned and other focus improving tasks, allowing himself and his supervisor to observe the current state of the training and to modify the exercise routine as necessary. A newly developed brain interface machine reads the original brainwaves and those which are developed via the biointerface chip at the neck and  interfacing with the Psionic projector “reinject” them into the brain of the applicant allowing the user to develop maximum efficiency in using the chip.? [I'm not sure what you are describing.... might be an idea to reword it...]
In addition to this extensive psychological sessions are performed since we could confirm numerous personal problems evolving from excessive use of psionic powers.


Just a quick check... it's pretty good... Personally i'd like to see some more detail about the psionic projector and monitering devices...

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 05:56 PM

[PSIONIC LAB]
X-Net://Pegasus.Net/Facilities/[Psi Lab]


Since the early 30´s of the 20th century scientists have been working on the evaluation of psionic ability in humans. But only after the alien encounter we had actual proves for the existence of this power. It seems that some alien species produce a certain enzyme, which allows them to create and project strong pulses of brainwaves onto an intelligent target. Trying to implement these observations into a human usable device we found, that for a successful application of the Psionic amplifier a profound training of the soldier’s ability to concentrate – especially over longer periods - is crucial.

One issue you must address here is that if they have these powers because of that enzyme, then why regular Greys don't have these powers but high-ranking Greys do? Also, the psi amp isn't found, X-corps made them. Also, psi amp is developed after psi-lab

The Psionic Laboratory contains - beside a small neurochirugical operation room where the biointerface chip for the Psionic amplifier can be engrafted – ten small compartments with several devices allowing an effective training of the soldiers.

Hmm, I don't like very much the fact that there must be implanted a chip to have the troopers learn to use psionic powers. As I see it, all Humans possess that power, the psi-lab is built to teach them how to make offensive use of them, and the psi-amp is to enable them to make offensive use. I strongly suggest you read Psionic Theory, as psionic powers are well explained there. Also, this text has to fit AWD's concept, I haven't found it so I'll PM Vaaish to see if it's there somewhere.

The main device is a so called Psionic projector which forces the trainees brain to constantly deal with changing psionic influences while his task is to rapidly adapt his own psionic output to a given pattern, training the soldiers ability to “formulate” his thoughts, thus not only raising his experience with his psi powers but also ensuring his possibility to use them even in highly stressing field situations. To strengthen the applicants ability to focus on a certain task new computer programs have been written which constantly monitor the users brain activity during the completion of these above mentioned and other focus improving tasks, allowing himself and his supervisor to observe the current state of the training and to modify the exercise routine as necessary. A newly developed brain interface machine reads the original brainwaves and those which are developed via the biointerface chip at the neck and – interfacing with the Psionic projector “reinject” them into the brain of the applicant allowing the user to develop maximum efficiency in using the chip.

Same problem here, in my opinion we shouldn't have the soldiers be implanted a chip to learn to use these powers; after all, we do have real psionics in real life.

In addition to this extensive psychological sessions are performed since we could confirm numerous personal problems evolving from excessive use of psionic powers.

Good first draft :), keep it up!

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 04:49 AM

[...]Hmm, I don't like very much the fact that there must be implanted a chip to have the troopers learn to use psionic powers. As I see it, all Humans possess that power, the psi-lab is built to teach them how to make offensive use of them, and the psi-amp is to enable them to make offensive use. I strongly suggest you read Psionic Theory[...]

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Actually I got the idea from this text:

"[...]Thanks to the indentification of the gene responcible for psionic abilities, it was as easy as running a Polymerase Chain Reaction to idenify individuals with the proper genomic coding for psionic training. These indivduals were then fitted with cybernetic implants, and those who adapted to them best were allowed to continue in the training program. Those with the best skills became the psionics of Xeniocide."

In addition I think the Psi Lab should not only teach in psionics, but also in the use of the Psi Amplifier as soon as it is researched, but I see that there is a big Problem, since we cannot speak of a device we don´t have. I thought of something like "we have an idea to do it, but we need more funding to develop it". Well, I will try to get any link to the Psi Amp out of the text. :)
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Posted 28 February 2005 - 05:16 AM

[...]A newly developed brain interface machine reads the original brainwaves and those which are developed via the biointerface chip at the neck and  interfacing with the Psionic projector “reinject” them into the brain of the applicant allowing the user to develop maximum efficiency in using the chip.? [I'm not sure what you are describing.... might be an idea to reword it...] [...]

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I was trying to describe something like a feedback mechanism. So that the users brain "feels" what the output is, while it "knows" what the output should be, so it can adapt the new output until it is similar to the desired output... eh...
But if I have to take out the biointerface this might not be a problem any longer... lets see... maybe I find a way around it... :)
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Posted 28 February 2005 - 05:29 AM

"[...]Thanks to the indentification of the gene responcible for psionic abilities, it was as easy as running a Polymerase Chain Reaction to idenify individuals with the proper genomic coding for psionic training. These indivduals were then fitted with cybernetic implants, and those who adapted to them best were allowed to continue in the training program.  Those with the best skills became the psionics of Xeniocide."

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What text is this from?

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 10:24 AM

Psi Amp, iirc. (By the way, I'll look over your text as soon as I finish looking at all the other new posts ;))
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Posted 28 February 2005 - 10:30 AM

Psi Amp, iirc.  (By the way, I'll look over your text as soon as I finish looking at all the other new posts ;))

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 10:32 AM

Oops, my bad. It's the "Human Psionic Theory" reference text at the very bottom of the Asset List: http://www.projectxe...manPsionics.txt

Maybe we (I? ;)) should make a note about that text being out-of-date or remove the url entirely?

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 10:34 AM

That text is not very suitable, I've read over it to see if it was fit to be the Psionic Theory I was looking for.
What I meant is that there are real psionics, and that they don't need to have chips implanted. Besides, the Psionic Amplifier entry already talks about implanting a chip, so I think it's unnecessary (if not redundant) to have it as well in this entry.

Edit: Yes, the text will be removed on the next update, I have something else in mind I want to do.

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 10:43 AM

TFTD has chip implantation, iirc, but I agree- psionic ability (as it currently is in the existing texts) is inherent, without the need for cybernetic alteration/implantation.

However, the Psi Amp mentions microchip implants, and the Psi Lab is the logical place for psi-related surgery. The problem is that Psi Lab is researched prior to Psi Amp, but this can be circumvented by saying something like: "From our preliminary research, our scientists suspect small surgical procedures may be necessary to adapt humans to the envisioned Psi Amp device. Therefore, a small medical facility/clinic was included in the Psi Lab facility (to accomodate/suitable for) this anticipated function as well as other psi-related ailments". (it's a bit rough, but you get the idea)

(Argh, I'm still pretty inarticulate today. :()

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 10:14 AM

Ok... here comes the 2nd try... :)

[PSIONIC LAB]
X-Net://Pegasus.Net/Facilities/[Psi Lab]

Since the early 30´s of the 20th century scientists have been working on the evaluation of psionic ability in humans. Experiments into this field resulted in varying result but none were successful enough to condone additional funding to the field. Only after the alien encounter we had solid proof to support the existence of this power. After close examination of certain alien beings interestingly we observed that only Cloaks and high ranking Greys are able to make extensive use of their powers which led us to the identification of an enzyme only produced by these individuals. It is not clear why only high-ranking Greys are able to produce this enzyme, but we suspect a genetic altering performed by another species. However this enzyme allows them to create and project strong pulses of brainwaves through a psionic field onto an intelligent target. It seems that though humans possess the ability to create these psionic fields a profound training of the soldier’s ability to concentrate – especially over longer periods - is crucial.

The Psionic Laboratory contains ten small compartments with several devices allowing an effective training of the soldiers. [To be taken out if necessary: Since our scientists suspect minor neurochirugical procedures to be possible, we used a modular system, which allows the establishment of a small operation room within the psionic facility.]
The heart of a training unit is a so called psionic projector which is using the alien enzyme to create a psionic field forcing the trainees brain to constantly deal with changing influences while his task is to rapidly adapt his own psionic output to a given pattern countering such an influence, training the soldiers ability to “formulate” his thoughts, thus not only raising his experience with his psi powers but also ensuring his possibility to use them even in highly stressing field situations. To strengthen the applicants ability to focus on a certain task new computer programs have been written which constantly monitor the users brain activity during the completion of the above mentioned and other focus improving tasks, allowing himself and his supervisor to observe the current state of the training and to modify the exercise routine as necessary. A newly developed brain interface machine reads the original brainwaves and those which are developed via the soldiers psionic field and – interfacing with the Psionic projector “reinject” them into the brain of the applicant allowing the users brain a sub cognitional comparison between the desired and the resulting effect.
In addition to this extensive psychological sessions are performed since we could confirm numerous personal problems evolving from excessive use of psionic powers.


Me? No I’m no splitted personality! Me neither!

Protocol of psychological analysis of volunteer Capt. John Trondsen after 14 hours of excessive psionic training


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Posted 07 March 2005 - 10:56 AM

Also, this text has to fit AWD's concept, I haven't found it so I'll PM Vaaish to see if it's there somewhere.

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Still no word from AWD? :( *waiting*

Edited by Mad, 07 March 2005 - 10:57 AM.

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Posted 07 March 2005 - 01:24 PM

Also, this text has to fit AWD's concept, I haven't found it so I'll PM Vaaish to see if it's there somewhere.

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Still no word from AWD? :( *waiting*

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Sorry to keep you waiting, I have PMed Vaaish about it, there is no concept, either complete or in the works, so write the description you want, but be warned that it might have to be changed in the future should AWD make a different model and press us into changing our text.

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Posted 07 March 2005 - 01:38 PM

Just my two cents:

You mention the use of an enzyme....for what purpose? Could you elaborate a touch more, as in explain what a theoretical use for said enzyme. As enzymes are biological catalysts, it would be wise to say what is the desired product? Generally, I think of an enzyme in terms of digestion or something (although I do know there are quite a few more... :P ) but that would be the first thing to spring to mind. Could you fluff it out just a tad more?

Besides that, and any mutterings from Az and Asty, I think it is good. :beer:
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Just my two cents:

You mention the use of an enzyme....for what purpose? Could you elaborate a touch more, as in explain what a theoretical use for said enzyme.  As enzymes are biological catalysts, it would be wise to say what is the desired product?  Generally, I think of an enzyme in terms of digestion or something (although I do know there are quite a few more... :P ) but that would be the first thing to spring to mind.  Could you fluff it out just a tad more?

Besides that, and any mutterings from Az and Asty, I think it is good.  :beer:

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That enzyme is also mentioned in PsiAmp, it's supposed to allow you to project your psionic powers into more...destructive means.

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Posted 07 March 2005 - 01:57 PM

Yes, that may be in there (haven't read it) but the two entries are supposed to be independant, so there would have to be an explanation in this one too. Unless you make one a prequisite of the other.
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Posted 07 March 2005 - 02:12 PM

Yes, that may be in there (haven't read it) but the two entries are supposed to be independant, so there would have to be an explanation in this one too.  Unless you make one a prequisite of the other.

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They are not independant, but I agree that the explanation on the enzyme should be in this text since it comes before Psi-Amp, maybe you should check it out there and paste it here?

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Posted 07 March 2005 - 02:36 PM

They are not independant, but I agree that the explanation on the enzyme should be in this text since it comes before Psi-Amp, maybe you should check it out there and paste it here?

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Well, the explanaition is as it follows:

However, after further examination of certain 'psionically active' Aliens we have found an unusual type of enzyme secreted by these that reacts strongly to neural activity. This unusual substance amplifies brain waves, emits them to its surroundings, and can cause severe neural shock to any biological matter it encounters. This can cause a stunning effect, disorientation or in rare cases it stops the brain functioning for a period of time, enabling the attacker to control the target’s actions using its mind.


Maybe I can add a little bit of it, but most of it is still in the text...
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[...] After close examination of certain alien beings interestingly we observed that only Cloaks and high ranking Greys are able to make extensive use of their powers which led us to the identification of an enzyme only produced by these individuals. It is not clear why only high-ranking Greys are able to produce this enzyme, but we suspect a genetic altering performed by another species. However this enzyme resonating to neural activity and amplifying these brain waves allows them to create and project strong pulses of these through a psionic field onto an intelligent target. It seems that though humans possess the ability to create these psionic fields a profound training of the soldier’s ability to concentrate – especially over longer periods - is crucial.


I personally also thought that htis enzyme explanation is a little weak, but since it is in the Amplifyier, I used it.
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Posted 07 March 2005 - 02:53 PM

Some general thoughts re Psi, since I dunno where else to put this.

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1. Remember that while we don't know precisely what all of the brain does in interaction with each other, we do know an awful lot about what each part of the brain does. That being the case, someone who still remembers psychology or neuroscience courses might be useful (do we have a shrink on the board? :D ).

2. Psi being produced by a simple enzyme seems unlikely. You'd see it more often, and it wouldn't be a question for humans. What COULD be possible is that Psi ability is one of those things that's always been possible for humans, but that the vast majority of people have never developed the proper synaptic connections for. In the same way that learning language relies upon synaptic connections being made, so does Psionic ability. What we find out (and what enables Psi abilities to be used by humans) is how to train someone to create such connections, due to information gathered from aliens. Psi SKILL is like any other skill. Psi POTENTIAL is how 'pliable' a person is, to learn Psi abilities along with everything else, the way some people have a natural talent for math or languages.

3. With that said, there comes a really good reason to wear a helmet: Psi ability is possible in humans, but rests on very sensitive ground. Severe head injury can reduce or eliminate psi ability in a person, due to the trauma and potential brain damage incurred.

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Posted 08 March 2005 - 06:58 AM

1. Remember that while we don't know precisely what all of the brain does in interaction with each other, we do know an awful lot about what each part of the brain does.

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Well, actually we don´t know very much about the single parts. Ok. We do know what e.g. the Gyrus praefrontalis is for, but there are so many areas which we don´t know a sh**t about. Like the lobus frontalis which is just slightly associated with personality or the gyrus cinguli for "feelings"/psyche these associations all are a little vague.

2. Psi being produced by a simple enzyme seems unlikely. You'd see it more often, and it wouldn't be a question for humans. What COULD be possible is that Psi ability is one of those things that's always been possible for humans[...]

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If I remember correctly this is exactly what the explanation of PSI powers is in the game. The enzyme is only used to amplify existing eh... powers. BTW I already mentioned that I don´t like the enzyme-idea that much, but I also see no need for introducing something like a PSI symbiont, since, as Azrael said, there are psychonics nowadays.
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Posted 10 March 2005 - 01:03 PM

Ok, no major changes more or less just merged the above posts in the CTD and readded the neurosurgical operation room, since the way it is now described it should not have any effect on the AWD Model (if it happens to be seen someday ;) )
(actually I just tried to get someones attention to (re)check this... :P (or is it done? :) )

[PSIONIC LAB]
X-Net://Pegasus.Net/Facilities/[Psi Lab]

Since the early 30´s of the 20th century scientists have been working on the evaluation of psionic ability in humans. Experiments into this field resulted in varying result but none were successful enough to condone additional funding to the field. Only after the alien encounter we had solid proof to support the existence of this power. After close examination of certain alien beings interestingly we observed that only Cloaks and high ranking Greys are able to make extensive use of their powers which led us to the identification of an enzyme only produced by these individuals. It is not clear why only high-ranking Greys are able to produce this enzyme, but we suspect a genetic altering performed by another species. However this enzyme resonating to neural activity and amplifying these brain waves allows them to create and project strong pulses of these through a psionic field onto an intelligent target. It seems that though humans possess the ability to create these psionic fields a profound training of the soldier’s ability to concentrate – especially over longer periods - is crucial.

The Psionic Laboratory contains ten small compartments with several devices allowing an effective training of the soldiers. Since our scientists suspect minor neurosurgical procedures to be possible, making advance of the modular base structure, we managed to meet all prequisites to allow the fast and easy establishment of a small operation room within the psionic facility.
The heart of a training unit is a so called psionic projector which is using the alien enzyme to create a psionic field forcing the trainees brain to constantly deal with changing influences while his task is to rapidly adapt his own psionic output to a given pattern countering such an influence, training the soldiers ability to “formulate” his thoughts, thus not only raising his experience with his psi powers but also ensuring his possibility to use them even in highly stressing field situations. To strengthen the applicants ability to focus on a certain task new computer programs have been written which constantly monitor the users brain activity during the completion of the above mentioned and other focus improving tasks, allowing himself and his supervisor to observe the current state of the training and to modify the exercise routine as necessary. A newly developed brain interface machine reads the original brainwaves and those which are developed via the soldiers psionic field and – interfacing with the Psionic projector “reinject” them into the brain of the applicant allowing the users brain a sub cognitional comparison between the desired and the resulting effect.
In addition to this extensive psychological sessions are performed since we could confirm numerous personal problems evolving from excessive use of psionic powers.


Me? No I’m no splitted personality! Me neither!

Protocol of psychological analysis of volunteer Capt. John Trondsen after 14 hours of excessive psionic training


Or does it need more explanation of the enzyme? But actually I have no idea how... I could fake an amino acid sequence... :rolleyes:

Edited by Mad, 10 March 2005 - 02:57 PM.

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 01:40 PM

"chirurgical" should probably be "surgical".
yes, I make that same mistake myself quite often :) very german :P
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Posted 10 March 2005 - 02:59 PM

"chirurgical" should probably be "surgical".
yes, I make that same mistake myself quite often :) very german  :P

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Wohoops.... :D
Ok, thx, just edited the text above, so now this should be fixed...
(although, from the german point of view the "neurochirugie" just sounds better ;) )
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Posted 10 March 2005 - 03:01 PM

Technically, "chiurgical" can be used, but it's very, very rarely seen in American English; "surgical" is much more likely to be seen and understood. :P

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 03:18 PM

(although, from the german point of view the "neurochirugie" just sounds better ;) )

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yes, definitely... funny is that both words have the same greek origin (kheir "hand" + ergon "work"), meaning "those who work with their hands". :)
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Posted 10 March 2005 - 03:24 PM

Technically, "chiurgical" can be used, but it's very, very rarely seen in American English; "surgical" is much more likely to be seen and understood. :P

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 04:53 PM

2. Psi being produced by a simple enzyme seems unlikely. You'd see it more often, and it wouldn't be a question for humans. What COULD be possible is that Psi ability is one of those things that's always been possible for humans[...]

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If I remember correctly this is exactly what the explanation of PSI powers is in the game. The enzyme is only used to amplify existing eh... powers. BTW I already mentioned that I don´t like the enzyme-idea that much, but I also see no need for introducing something like a PSI symbiont, since, as Azrael said, there are psychonics nowadays.

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I agree...What I was trying to say: There should be nothing 'surgical' involved.

No enzymes, no implants.

Psionics is a matter of *training*, a matter of focus. The Psi-Amp is merely a battlefield device to enable the focus and concentration necessary for psi use in combat.

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 05:00 PM

2. Psi being produced by a simple enzyme seems unlikely. You'd see it more often, and it wouldn't be a question for humans. What COULD be possible is that Psi ability is one of those things that's always been possible for humans[...]

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If I remember correctly this is exactly what the explanation of PSI powers is in the game. The enzyme is only used to amplify existing eh... powers. BTW I already mentioned that I don´t like the enzyme-idea that much, but I also see no need for introducing something like a PSI symbiont, since, as Azrael said, there are psychonics nowadays.

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I agree...What I was trying to say: There should be nothing 'surgical' involved.

No enzymes, no implants.

Psionics is a matter of *training*, a matter of focus. The Psi-Amp is merely a battlefield device to enable the focus and concentration necessary for psi use in combat.

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I agree with Penta, as I said before, the Psionic Amplifier is used to focus psionic abilities into the destructive means necessary to fight Alien creatures.

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 11:34 PM

I agree with Penta, as I said before, the Psionic Amplifier is used to focus psionic abilities into the destructive means necessary to fight Alien creatures.

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OMG, someone agrees with me. YAY! :D

That said, do we still have to go by the implant crap that was in XCom?

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Posted 11 March 2005 - 03:03 AM

I agree with Penta, as I said before, the Psionic Amplifier is used to focus psionic abilities into the destructive means necessary to fight Alien creatures.

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Ok, so we need a decision: Do we want to take any enzyme, implant or whatever out of the game? Or should we leave it for the psionic amp? But I think, if we want to leave it in the psi amp CTD, than we need a facility where this implant is engraved. That was my intention to put this line in the psi lab CTD. If we don´t want to use any enzyme or whatever, how do we explain that only greys and cloaks do have the ability to use their psi powers in an excessive way, but every alien has psi powers (e.g. for the plasma weapons, which CTD contains a psi driven targeting system (if I remember correctly) ), or how do we explain that ´till now no human was able to use his /her psi powers in an agressive way?
And if we use the enzyme in the psi amp, why not use it for a training device? Because that is the only thing in the psi lab CTD which mentions that you might someday need something else than training to useyour psi powers (plus the possibility of surgical procedures, which i only implemented because of the psi amp, which is using an implant in the neck).
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Posted 11 March 2005 - 05:47 AM

I don't remember seeing that in the plasma weapons... implants like that can be perfomed in the non-existant X-Corps medical bay :) The psi-lab is a training facility, so don't worry about that. And the enzyme, well it's there already and it's on the psi-amp, so don't worry about it either, I prefer the enzyme and we will keep it that way. The only thing I think is not addressed in any psi text, is if cloaks have psi-powers because of the enzyme, then why don't ALL greys have them?

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Posted 11 March 2005 - 09:44 AM

I don't remember seeing that in the plasma weapons... implants like that can be perfomed in the non-existant X-Corps medical bay :) The psi-lab is a training facility, so don't worry about that. And the enzyme, well it's there already and it's on the psi-amp, so don't worry about it either, I prefer the enzyme and we will keep it that way. The only thing I think is not addressed in any psi text, is if cloaks have psi-powers because of the enzyme, then why don't ALL greys have them?

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ok, so I take the med bay out...

But I kind of adressed the issue with the greys...

[...] It is not clear why only high-ranking Greys are able to produce this enzyme, but we suspect a genetic altering performed by another species. [...]

But, ok, I could think of something like:

We suspect that the Alien race performing this controlled mutation of high ranking greys fears a loose of control if every Alien is capable of using psionic powers. In Addition to this it is highly likable, that only those with superior intelligence and natural psionic talent are chosen to be modified.

What do you think?

Well and the psionic targeting came from this text: http://www.xcomufo.c...wtopic=1290&hl=

After the first retrieval of an alien Heavy Plasma, it became apparent to all scientific staff devoted to its research that the target aquisition and aiming system was more complex than any developed by humans. The first breakthrough came, quite unexpectadly, not in the mechanical engineering labs but in the biochemistry/neurology departments. When a scientist used what could only be described at the time as his "will-power", the targeting system came to life. By combining the act of physcically aiming the rifle, and then mentally "thinking" the target into the sights, the accuracy of the rifle was increased four-fold. Here was born the first notion of psionic ability.


... so never mind... :)
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Well and the psionic targeting came from this text: http://www.xcomufo.c...wtopic=1290&hl=

After the first retrieval of an alien Heavy Plasma, it became apparent to all scientific staff devoted to its research that the target aquisition and aiming system was more complex than any developed by humans. The first breakthrough came, quite unexpectadly, not in the mechanical engineering labs but in the biochemistry/neurology departments. When a scientist used what could only be described at the time as his "will-power", the targeting system came to life. By combining the act of physcically aiming the rifle, and then mentally "thinking" the target into the sights, the accuracy of the rifle was increased four-fold. Here was born the first notion of psionic ability.


... so never mind... :)

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Posted 11 March 2005 - 04:14 PM

not to mention that it would be extremely... complicated... to have psionic stuff in plasma tech, because the research tree would need to have a crosslink. chances are that the player will research plasma tech long before psi.

maybe the alien weapons can be controlled psionically, which would explain the accuracy of aliens in higher difficulty settings :) you just don't notice this when humans are using the weapons.
in V1++ it might even be possible to increase human soldier accuracy through psionic skills... but certainly not in V1.
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Posted 12 March 2005 - 08:41 AM


... so never mind...  :)

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Don't mind much the unsorted texts[...]

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Yea, thats why I wrote "never mind" - wasn´t ment to sound sarcastic... :)

So, now for the next try. Altered some expressions and added the "Grey/Cloak theory" :)

[PSIONIC LAB]
X-Net://Pegasus.Net/Facilities/[Psi Lab]

Since the early 30´s of the 20th century scientists have been working on the evaluation of psionic ability in humans. Experiments into this field resulted in varying outcomes but none were successful enough to condone additional funding to the field. Only after the alien encounter we had solid proof to support the existence of this power. After close examination of certain captured alien beings, interestingly we observed that only Cloaks and high ranking Greys are able to make extensive use of their powers which led us to the identification of an enzyme only produced by these individuals. It is not clear why only high-ranking Greys are able to produce this enzyme, but we suspect a genetic altering by another species only performed on these individulas, as they might fear a loss of control if every alien is capable of using psionic powers. In addition to this it is highly likable, that only those with superior intelligence and natural psionic talent are chosen to be modified.
However, the enzyme resonating to neural activity and amplifying the brain waves allows these aliens to create a strong psionic field, and project it onto an intelligent target. It seems that, though humans possess the ability to create - compared to those the aliens create - weak psionic fields, a profound training of the soldier’s ability to concentrate – especially over longer periods - is crucial for the effective use.

The Psionic Laboratory contains ten small compartments with several devices allowing an effective training of the soldiers. The heart of each training unit is a so called psionic projector, which is using the alien enzyme to create a psionic field forcing the trainees brain to constantly deal with changing influences, while his task is to rapidly adapt his own psionic output to a given pattern countering such an influence, training the soldiers ability to "formulate" his thoughts, thus not only raising his experience with his psi powers but also ensuring his possibility to use them even in highly stressing field situations. To strengthen the applicants ability to focus on a certain task new computer programs have been written which constantly monitor the users brain activity during the completion of the above mentioned, and other focus improving tasks, allowing himself and his supervisor to observe the current state of the training and to modify the exercise routine as necessary. A newly developed brain interface machine reads the original brainwaves and those which are developed via the soldiers psionic field and – interfacing with the Psionic projector "reinject" them into the applicants brain, allowing it to perform a sub cognitional comparison between the desired and the resulting effect.
In addition to this, extensive psychological sessions are performed since we could confirm numerous personal problems evolving from excessive use of psionic powers.


Me? No I’m no splitted personality! Me neither!

Protocol of psychological analysis of volunteer Capt. John Trondsen after 14 hours of excessive psionic training


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Posted 13 March 2005 - 12:37 PM

This looks good. The enzyme bit still makes me uneasy, but it looks very good.

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 03:23 PM

This looks good. The enzyme bit still makes me uneasy, but it looks very good.

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Glad you like it! :) and with the enzyme... well :WTF: ;) No, serious, its throughout the complete "Psi-infrastructure" so IMOH itsbest to leave it as it is.
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Posted 13 March 2005 - 07:38 PM

Yes, well...preference, really. It just seems so cheesy. If it was all produced by an enzyme humans can create, how come we're not all psionic already?

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 03:26 AM

Yes, well...preference, really. It just seems so cheesy. If it was all produced by an enzyme humans can create, how come we're not all psionic already?

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No, I think your making a mistake here: 1st: no human can produce the enzyme, thats why we are only weak psionics (if you like to believe in this), 2nd an enzyme is a very complex structure, so its not possible just to research or "create" it, 3rd this is why the enzyme had to be found in aliens, with the known sequence it should (at least in 2012) be possible to synthesize it.
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Posted 14 March 2005 - 04:44 AM

To be removed text and Comments/"corrections"

And, please don't be offended when I get proofreading-happy :P :D :D ^_^

[PSIONIC LAB]
X-Net://Pegasus.Net/Facilities/[Psi Lab]

Since the early 30´s, of the 20th century {aren't "X-0's" always about the 20th century? } scientists have been working on the evaluation of psionic ability in humans. Experiments into this field resulted in varying outcomes , which either rejected the theory as non-rational or promoted it as a "yet unknown scientific issue", but none were successful enough to condone additional funding to the field. Only after the alien encounter we had solid proof to support the existence of this power. After close examination of certain captured alien beings, interestingly we observed that only Cloaks and high ranking Greys are able to make extensive use of their powers, {comma} which led us to the identification of an enzyme only produced by these individuals. It is not clear why only high-ranking Greys are able to produce this enzyme, but we suspect that a genetic altering by another species only performed on these individulas {individuals = extraculas? ;)} has been performed specifically on these individuals by another species, as they might fear a loss of control could occur if every alien is was capable of using psionic powers. In addition to this, it is highly likable, that only those with superior intelligence and natural psionic talent are chosen to be modified.

However, the enzyme resonating to neural activity and amplifying the brain waves allows these aliens to create a strong psionic field, and project it onto an intelligent target. It seems that, though humans possess the ability to create weak psionic fields, compared to those the aliens create, a profound training of the soldier’s ability to concentrate, especially over longer periods, is crucial for theeffective use.

Actually, "enzymes" just help some specific reactions occur, they speed them up 10^6 to 10^12 times. They are a kind of "biological calatysts". Thus, I am not really sure that an enzyme could amplify brain waves. It's more likely that a protein could do that. So, why not try this: Genetically engineered symbiotic bacteria!!! They co-exist in our body (maybe in the outer brain-layer??), and produce this protein which stimulates brain cells and amplifies their "power", and blah blah blah, blou blou blou....

And, somehow, "area of psionic effect" sounds better than psionic field, IMVHO. And, the general concept of "field" (electric/magnetic/gravitational) has been scientifically rejected long ago, but it helps us understand other concepts :)


The Psionic Laboratory contains ten small compartments {is this compatible with the 3d model? I don't know, that's why I commented, sry :S} with several devices allowing an effective training of the soldiers. The heart of each training unit is a so called a device named as psionic projector, which is using the alien enzyme to create a psionic field forcing the trainees brain to constantly deal with changing influences, while his task is to rapidly adapt his own psionic output to a given pattern countering such an influence, training the soldiers ability to "formulate" his thoughts, thus not only raising his experience with his psi powers but also ensuring his possibility to use them even in highly stressing field situations. To strengthen the applicant's {should we use "candidate's" instead?} ability to focus on a certain task, new computer programs have been written which constantly monitor the users brain activity during the completion of the above mentioned, and other focus improving tasks, allowing himself and his supervisor to observe the current state of the training and to modify the exercise routine as necessary. A newly developed brain interface machine device reads the original brainwaves and those which are developed via the soldiers psionic field and – interfacing with the Psionic projector "reinject" them into the applicants brain, allowing it to perform a sub cognitional comparison between the desired and the resulting effect.

That last part, "...reads the original... the resulting effect", isn't clear enough. Could you try rewritting it? :blink2:

In addition to this, extensive psychological sessions are performed since we could confirm numerous personal problems evolving from excessive use of psionic powers.

1-2 more lines in this last paragraph would make a perfect addition :D. Explain more about these personal problems,i.e. depression, personal/mental isolation etc

"Me? No I’m no splitted personality! Me neither!"
- Protocol of psychological analysis of volunteer Capt. John Trondsen after 14 hours of excessive psionic training


Hmm, there are some syntax errors, we could improve the vocabulary a bit, haven't seen any grammatical errors... :)
Hey, it is very interesting and well-written. I really like the way you implement the "enzyme" idea, the Grey/cloak theory and the way psionic training is achived! Very good work :D :banana:

Edited by kafros, 14 March 2005 - 04:54 AM.


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Posted 14 March 2005 - 05:02 AM

As enzymes are biological catalysts, it would be wise to say what is the desired product?

D@mn, haven't read previous posts, sry ^_^
Anyway, I prefer the idea of "technological - medical" aid to the idea of "pure, powerful focusing"... Brainwave amplification sounds more rational than just focusing :P

There is a thread somewhere... where there was a full-time conversation about psi... What is psi, how you are using it, what it "does" etc... Gotta find it :Brickwall:

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 06:16 AM

[color=green]So, why not try this: Genetically engineered symbiotic bacteria!!! They co-exist in our body (maybe in the outer brain-layer??), and produce this protein which stimulates brain cells and amplifies their "power", and blah blah blah, blou blou blou....

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please, oh please, dont do the George Lucas on us. symbiotic bacteria sounds too much like "midichlorians". and everyone hates that idea :)
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Posted 14 March 2005 - 06:43 AM

please, oh please, dont do the George Lucas on us. symbiotic bacteria sounds too much like "midichlorians". and everyone hates that idea :)

:WTF: :WTF: :WTF: :WTF: :WTF: :WTF: :WTF: :WTF:

"Midichlorians"??????????????????

George Lucas is the movie producer who made all/most star-wars and Indiana Jones movies, right? I don't know what he thinks, and I don't even want to know :P.

Everyones hates the idea, huh? That's why I've never ever heard about symbiotic bacteria in movies??? :hammer:

Bacteria sounds more rational that just an enzyme, see above for the reason :OhBrother:

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and everyone hates that idea

Everyone in HERE? Because if you mean movie producers, people etc, then why don't you say that PSI exists due to psions, which are particles undetectable in accelerators?
Cloaks send us psions and mind control us . Pfff....*sign* :OhBrother: :OhBrother: :OhBrother: :OhBrother:

I'm not playing George Lucas, I just try to find a sensible and cool solution... :Brickwall:

Edited by kafros, 14 March 2005 - 06:50 AM.


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Posted 14 March 2005 - 06:48 AM

Just a little more of my nudging, but enzymes ARE proteins!! Guys, I am not the world's best biologist, and one of you should have spotted this! :P :blink:

Co-action is a possible hypothesis, and I agree that the enzymes could enable 'certain' reactions to take place at a rate which stimulates some brain cells to get powerful enough to create psionic power. I think we would have to fluff it out a little more though, to make it totally believable.
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Posted 14 March 2005 - 06:57 AM

but enzymes ARE proteins!!

I know that enzymes ARE proteins. There are even some RNAs that work as enzymes. This (and MUCH, MUCH more) information can be found in the 11th and 12th grade Biology books in greek schools :P

The problem is that this kind of proteins are just "CATALYSTS OF BIOLOGICAL REACTIONS". They don't amplify brain waves, they don't remove the scars from your skin, they don't paint your eye blue, they just speed-up certain reactions!

Now, if you say that they speed-up certain reactions in brain cells, and thus we have "increased brainwave power" or whatever, then ok, I surrender... But it just doesn't look rational enough... :unsure:

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 10:30 AM

So, this is the next version. As for Kafros´ remarks:

aren't "X-0's" always about the 20th century?

Well, I thought since the X-Corps are situated in the 21st century, they might think of keeping a "language compability code" for those who read this in lets say 2040... but I removed it. Does someone else have an oppinion about this? This is a poll ;)

Actually, "enzymes" just help some specific reactions occur, they speed them up 10^6 to 10^12 times. [...]

Yea, I know that most people don´t like the enzyme idea, but... ahrg! read the posts before. :Brickwall: ;)

And, somehow, "area of psionic effect" sounds better than psionic field, IMVHO. And, the general concept of "field" (electric/magnetic/gravitational) has been scientifically rejected long ago, but it helps us understand other concepts

Yes, I know, but I don´t think that area of psonic effect sounds that well...

is this compatible with the 3d model?

It seems as there isn´t a 3D Model ´till now, so...

should we use "candidate's" instead?

Hm. I´m not sure which is better... Ideas?

[PSIONIC LAB]
X-Net://Pegasus.Net/Facilities/[Psi Lab]

Since the early 30´s scientists have been working on the evaluation of psionic ability in humans. Experiments into this field resulted in varying outcomes, which either rejected the theory as non-rational or promoted it as a "yet unknown scientific issue", but none were successful enough to condone additional funding to the field. Only after the alien encounter we had solid proof to support the existence of this power. After close examination of certain captured alien beings, interestingly we observed that only Cloaks and high ranking Greys are able to make extensive use of their powers, which led us to the identification of an enzyme only produced by these individuals. It is not clear why only high-ranking Greys are able to produce this enzyme, but we suspect that a genetic altering has been performed specifically on these individuals by another species, as they might fear a loss of control could occur if every alien was capable of using psionic powers. In addition to this, it is highly likable, that only those with superior intelligence and natural psionic talent are chosen to be modified.

However, the enzyme resonating to neural activity and amplifying brain waves allows these aliens to create a strong psionic field, and project it onto an intelligent target. It seems that, though humans possess the ability to create weak psionic fields, compared to those the aliens create, a profound training of the soldier’s ability to concentrate, especially over longer periods, is crucial for effective use.

The Psionic Laboratory contains ten small compartments with several devices allowing an effective training of the soldiers. The heart of each training unit is a device named as psionic projector, which is using the alien enzyme to create a psionic field forcing the trainees brain to constantly deal with changing influences, while his task is to rapidly adapt his own psionic output to a given pattern countering such an influence, training the soldiers ability to "formulate" his thoughts, thus not only raising his experience with his psi powers but also ensuring his possibility to use them even in highly stressing field situations. To strengthen the candidate's ability to focus on a certain task, new computer programs have been written which constantly monitor the users brain activity during the completion of the above mentioned, and other focus improving tasks, allowing himself and his supervisor to observe the current state of the training and to modify the exercise routine as necessary. A newly developed brain interface device reads the original brainwaves via head mounted electrodes, thus allowing the interpretation of the intended effect, and those which are developed via the soldiers psionic field and – interfacing with the Psionic projector "reinject" them into the applicants brain, allowing it to perform a sub cognitional comparison between the desired and the resulting "output".

In addition to this, extensive psychological sessions are performed since we could confirm numerous personal problems like massive fear, adjustment disorders, depression, self chosen isolation, haluzinations, paranoia, various cases of schizophrenia and suicide attempts,  evolving from excessive use of psionic powers. It seems that, for the untrained brain, confrontation with extrasensory perception has a devastating effect.

"Me? No I’m no splitted personality! Me neither!"
- Protocol of psychological analysis of volunteer Capt. John Trondsen after 14 hours of excessive psionic training


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Posted 16 March 2005 - 06:06 PM

Nice work, Mad! =b

If I'm not mistaken, this text looks more than 90% complete. Although there are a few small errors (spelling, consistency), they can be fixed up in the proofreading phase.

Because you guys are doing a terrific job in cleaning up and polishing these Active texts and readying them for us proofreaders, we'd like to direct your attention over to the Fusion Defense Facility thread. :naughty:

We'd appreciate it very much, guys! :D

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Posted 17 March 2005 - 02:41 AM

Nice work, Mad! =b

If I'm not mistaken, this text looks more than 90% complete.  Although there are a few small errors (spelling, consistency), they can be fixed up in the proofreading phase.

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:banana: ;)

Because you guys are doing a terrific job in cleaning up and polishing these Active texts and readying them for us proofreaders, we'd like to direct your attention over to the Fusion Defense Facility thread. :naughty:

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*sigh*.... ;) Ok... I´ll go... :)
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Posted 12 August 2005 - 12:32 PM

Oopz, something that missed my attention :rolleyes: (for a while :P)

Edit: So, if the ideas of this text are correct and we are just left with re-phrasing/grammar/spelling errors, why don't you boot this to proofreading?

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