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#101 kafros

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 09:09 PM

A problem that just popped in my mind...

In RL:
The AIM-132 ASRAAM is a short range missile
The AIM-120 AMRAAM is a medium range missile
The AIM-54 Phoenix is a long range missile
The AIM-7 Sparrow is middle range, but the AIM-9 Sidewinder is short range.

In our current drafts:
The Titan heavy missile is supposed to be a long-range missile
The Sidewinder is supposed to be medium range (in previous drafts it was more like short range)

In the original X-Com:
The Sidewinder was medium range and moderately powerful
The Avalance was short range, but was much more powerful that the sidewinder



If we want to keep those missiles as in the original xcom, then I guess the sidewinder should look more like AIM-120 and the titan like the AIM-132 or the AIM-9X

I also think that we should look more into the fifth-generation missiles: http://en.wikipedia....ifth_generation

In order to catch the x-com atmosphere better, I think the sidewinder should be downgraded in favor of the titan missile. That way, the sidewinder is reliable and medium-range capable but not too fast/maneuverable/powerful, and the titan is the "big punch" which only works for short ranges.

Ideas? Recommendations?

#102 Mad

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 01:43 AM

In the original X-Com:
The Sidewinder was medium range and moderately powerful
The Avalance was short range, but was much more powerful that the sidewinder

Sorry, but no, you're wromg here. Thee Avalanche was long range, and had a longer range than the Sidewinder

I also think that we should look more into the fifth-generation missiles: http://en.wikipedia....ifth_generation

Yes, good idea. However, all those are short range missiles, so those would have to be adapted to be used in the Titan. I saw that you already used some of those techniques in the Sidewinder CT :)

Edited by Mad, 07 September 2007 - 02:05 AM.

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#103 kafros

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 05:05 AM

Sorry, but no, you're wrong here. Thee Avalanche was long range, and had a longer range than the Sidewinder


Armament Damage Range (km) Accuracy Reload Time (s) Shots
Stingray 70 30 70% 15 6
Avalanche 100 60 80% 20 3

(from ufopaedia.org)

Pwned ^_^

Then it makes things a bit simpler, kewl. So I'll make the Sidewinder a bit less powerful than the Titan, the former like ASRAAM and the latter like AMRAAM

Although the short range missiles are for <2km confortations and the medium range ones for ~30-40 (If I'm not mistaken again xD), so they both work like medium range missiles

Edited by kafros, 07 September 2007 - 05:07 AM.


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Posted 14 September 2007 - 04:12 PM

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TITAN HEAVY MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Titan

The AIM-213 Titan Heavy Missile was initially designed to engage targets such as airborne missile platforms before they have a chance to enter weapons range. Based on the now defunct AIM-54 Phoenix missile design, the Titan proved to be more than capable of taking down enemy fighters before they have a chance to engage. This extended range engagement is why X-Corps has decided to adopt the AIM-213 Titan as one of the two main missile weapon systems.

While the AIM-54 was deemed one of the more successful long range air to air missile designs, it rarely saw action and was phased out as the need for such weapons had ceased with the end of the cold war. The AIM-54 Phoenix was then taken out of active service in 2003. However, with the advent of stealth fighters in the 21st century, new radar and detection technology was developed to counter stealth. This lead to the development of high powered Laser Radars, also know as Ladars, that could detect and identify targets with high precision and resolution at unprecedented ranges. As such, modern fighters frequently have both radar and ladar systems incorporated into the design. The resolution of the ladar system allowed for positive identification and target confirmation at ranges that made long distance engagement possible, thus significantly reducing the risk of accidentally engaging friendly or civilian targets. Also, as propulsion technology improved the speeds at which aircraft travel, the ability to engage distant targets became increasingly important as there now was now less time for defensive aircraft to engage targets traveling through their airspace.

These factors lead to the revival of the long range air to air intercept engagement concept, and the AIM-54 Phoenix was used as the basis of the AIM-213 design. Equipped with radar, ladar and Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR), the Titan is capable of independently seeking and destroying a target once lock is achieved. However, if target lock is lost, the Titan is capable of coordinating with the detection system of the launch platform or other nearby friendly detection system via a data-link to improve chances of regaining lock. Due to the size of the Titan, a series of vernier thrusters was built into the missile to improve it's ability to hit agile targets. These features, combined with it's unmatched range and large warhead, results in a missile that uniquely suits the requirements of X-Corps.

However, all these features come at a price, the Titan is large and heavy for a missile. Only three of this massive missiles can be carried at a hardpoint, leading to reduced endurance in extended firefights. Once the fighter is out of Titan missiles, it will be forced to either fallback on weapons with shorter ranges or disengaged entirely from the fight. Also, much of the technology behind the Titan missile comes at high costs, resulting in one of the most expensive weapons in our arsenal.

Nevertheless, the AIM-213 Titan missile is our best chance of engaging UFOs with minimum risk to our fighters. This is an extremely important issue as we believe that UFO weapon systems are capable of inflicting heavy damage on our crafts if we allow them into engagement range.

"Strike down your enemy from the skies with the strength of the Titans!"
- AIM-213 Titan Missile marketing tag line


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Posted 14 December 2007 - 07:37 PM

TITAN HEAVY MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Titan

The AIM-213 Titan Heavy Missile was initially designed to engage targets such as airborne missile platforms before they have a chance to enter weapons range. Based on the now defunct AIM-54 Phoenix missile design, the Titan proved to be more than capable of taking down enemy fighters before they have a chance to engage. This extended range engagement is why X-Corps has decided to adopt the AIM-213 Titan as one of the two main missile weapon systems.

While the AIM-54 was deemed one of the more successful long range air to air missile designs, it rarely saw action and was phased out as the need for such weapons had ceased with the end of the cold war. The AIM-54 Phoenix was then taken out of active service in 2003. However, with the advent of stealth fighters in the 21st century, new radar and detection technology was developed to counter stealth. This lead to the development of high powered Laser Radars, also know as Ladars, that could detect and identify targets with high precision and resolution at unprecedented ranges. As such, modern fighters frequently have both radar and ladar systems incorporated into the design. The resolution of the ladar system allowed for positive identification and target confirmation at ranges that made long distance engagement possible, thus significantly reducing the risk of accidentally engaging friendly or civilian targets. Also, as propulsion technology improved the speeds at which aircraft travel, the ability to engage distant targets became increasingly important as there now was now less time for defensive aircraft to engage targets traveling through their airspace.

These factors lead to the revival of the long range air to air intercept engagement concept, and the AIM-54 Phoenix was used as the basis of the AIM-213 design. Equipped with radar, ladar and Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR), the Titan is capable of independently seeking and destroying a target once lock is achieved. However, if target lock is lost, the Titan is capable of coordinating with the detection system's of the launch platform or other nearby friendly detection system via a data-link to improve chances of regaining lock. Due to the size of the Titan, a series of vernier thrusters was built into ?were incorporated within? the missile to improve it's ability to hit agile targets. These features, combined with it's unmatched range and large warhead, results in a missile that uniquely suits the requirements of X-Corps.

However, all these features come at a price, the Titan is large and heavy for a missile. Only three of this massive missiles can be carried at a per? hardpoint, leading to reduced endurance in extended firefights. Once the fighter is out of Titan missiles, it will be forced to either fallback on weapons with shorter ranges or disengaged entirely from the fight. Also, much of the technology behind the Titan missile comes at high costs, resulting in one of the most expensive weapons in our arsenal.

Nevertheless, the AIM-213 Titan missile is our best chance of engaging UFOs with minimum risk to our fighters. This is an extremely important issue?,? as we believe that UFO weapon systems are capable of inflicting heavy damage on our crafts if we allow them into engagement range.

"Strike down your enemy from the skies with the strength of the Titans!"
- AIM-213 Titan Missile marketing tag line


Edited by RustedSoul, 14 December 2007 - 07:49 PM.


#106 Mad

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 01:09 AM

Nobody 'round, so I'll do this myself now. (That is, if you don't want to complete it yourself RS - if you want, please let me know asap) This really has to see completion. (Most of the :rolleyes: ) changes marked up in purple.
I have changed all "Ladar" to "Lidar" since we used "Lidar" elsewhere. However, in the military context "Ladar" would be the right word, so we'll have to decide what word we want to use and accordingly change all CTs.

TITAN HEAVY MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Titan

The AIM-213 Titan Heavy Missile was initially designed to engage targets such as airborne missile platforms before they have a chance to enter weapons range. Based on the now defunct AIM-54 Phoenix missile design, the Titan proved more than capable of taking down enemy fighters before they have a chance to engage. This extended range engagement is why X-Corps has decided to adopt the AIM-213 Titan as one of the two main missile weapon systems.

While the AIM-54 was deemed one of the more successful long range air to air missile designs, it rarely saw action and was phased out as need for such weapons ceased with the end of the cold war. The AIM-54 Phoenix was taken out of active service in 2003. However, with the advent of stealth fighters in the 21st century, new radar and detection technology was developed to counter stealth. This lead to the development of high powered "Laser Radars", also know as LIDARs, that could detect and identify targets with high precision and resolution at unprecedented ranges. As a result of this, modern fighters frequently have both, radar and LIDAR systems incorporated into the design. The resolution of the LIDAR system allowed for positive identification and target confirmation at ranges that made long distance engagement of stealth fighters possible, thus significantly reducing the risk of accidentally engaging friendly or civilian targets. Also, as propulsion technology improved the speeds at which aircraft travel, the ability to engage distant targets became increasingly important as there now was now less time for defensive aircraft to engage targets traveling through their airspace.

These factors lead to the revival of the long range air to air intercept engagement concept, and the AIM-54 Phoenix was used as the basis of the AIM-213 design. Equipped with radar, LIDAR and Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR), the Titan is capable of independently seeking and destroying a target once lock is achieved. However, if target lock is lost, the Titan will coordinate with the detection systems of the launch platform or other nearby friendly detection system via a data-link to improve chances of regaining lock. Due to the size of the Titan, a series of vernier thrusters were incorporated within the missile to improve it's ability to hit agile targets. These features, combined with it's unmatched range and large warhead, result in a missile that uniquely suits the requirements of X-Corps.

However, all these features come at a price, the Titan is large and heavy for a missile. Only three of this massive missiles can be carried per hardpoint, leading to reduced endurance in extended firefights. Once the fighter is out of Titan missiles, it will be forced to either fallback on weapons with shorter range or disengage entirely. Also, much of the technology behind the Titan missile comes at high costs, resulting in one of the most expensive weapons in our arsenal.

Nevertheless, the AIM-213 Titan missile is our best chance of engaging UFOs with minimum risk to our fighters. We do not know the firepower of UFOs, but fear that This is an extremely important issue as we believe that UFO weapon systems are capable of inflicting heavy damage on our craft if we allow them into engagement range, thus stressing the need for the AIM-213.

"Strike down your enemy from the skies with the strength of the Titans!"
- AIM-213 Titan Missile marketing tag line


Edited by Mad, 20 May 2008 - 01:09 AM.

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Of course I have gone mad with power! It would be completely ridiculous to go mad without power!
And no, this is not a quote from the Simpson's movie, I want it on paper, that I actually wrote that quite some time before the movie came out.

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