Guest Jim69 Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 I think the Grey is a pretty well known alien myth ( assuming it is a myth ) in recent times, and there is a lot of "documentation" of what they look like. A little look into these would be helpful, altho what has already been created isn't far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 I'll agree with Jim, the Grey is pretty iconic visually so if we change too much from the standard people are going to get confused. For me Cubik's grey is getting there, he just needs to be a bit more threatening. Remember the lose screen from the game where the sectoid comes into the UN building and blows the human representatives head off. The look on his face is perfectly malicious and would be great for our 'Greys'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikker Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 i see your point i think so too, acturly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 Yeah, I know a lot has been said 4 the gormless look but I'd prefer a I'm gonna kick your arse look myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl. Facehugger Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 For me, the original sectoids were really, really scary. Just looking at their eyes, the shape and position of them made them look evil to me. Go look at the ufopedia pic of a sectoid, and ask yourself if you agree. So we should endevor to make the sectoid as frightening as possible within the sectoid template. Imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fux0r666 Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 I think we should endeavor to make all of the aliens as bizarre and scary as possible with in the archtypes of the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 That's my take on it, some of the aliens looked a little too terran. Could just be me but they should all recieve a face lift in the scaryness department, if I saw a sectoid down an alley lookin at me I'd prob kick the s**t out of him if he pointed some dodgy thing at me, make him a little more aggresive and I might pause long enough 4 him 2 show me the Plasma Pistol :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl. Facehugger Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Well, how can you make a small, weak, bigheaded creature more scary? I think that we should focus on making people know that greys' main power is in their mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 By not making him look like he has just sh*t a brick 4 one thing. Gormless looks scared, at least make em look a little pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drewid Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I'll agree with Jim, the Grey is pretty iconic visually so if we change too much from the standard people are going to get confused. For me Cubik's grey is getting there, he just needs to be a bit more threatening. Remember the lose screen from the game where the sectoid comes into the UN building and blows the human representatives head off. The look on his face is perfectly malicious and would be great for our 'Greys'.There was a christmas version of that picture floating around somewhere as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fux0r666 Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I did a sectoid concept a while ago. If you would like me to scan, process and post it for comparison, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl. Facehugger Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 Please do so. The more concepts we have floating around, the more options we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breunor Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 NOTICE! As a general informal announcement, we're asking that the various concept threads for the aliens focus more on posting concepts right now, rather than requesting tweaks to other artist's concepts. Rather than taking each concept and tweaking it as it comes in, let's leave it up to the artist to present their idea, and if you'd prefer a change to it, either modify the posted image to show what you mean (and that becomes another concept), or PM the artist about getting the files if that would make it easier to do. Some threads have lots of posts with tiny tweaks to essentially the same concept pic, which makes the contect very cyclic. Thanks! Also, please read:http://www.xcomufo.com/forums//index.php?s...?showtopic=2355 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 Seeing as I'm having trouble at the moment with DNS errors I'm gonna make this short. One sectoid concept in line with the suggestion made about the eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 I like the face, really gives that aggressive look tho I think I'm in the minority ( again ), I know there is a school of thought that likes the passive look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breunor Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 I also like the aggressive look to the face. While they are mentally better and could go with the cool nonchalant look, I like the idea that they are kids with magnifying glasses on a sunny day, and we're the ants. That kind of aggressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drewid Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 I Like the general expression. I think the aggressive/passive about thing is a bit of a red herring. It's as much to do with the mouth as the eyes. getting that impassive cold hatred coming across. It should model up to be more skull like than an architype "grey", which is no bad thing. We can play to that. Hands are a too small though I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl. Facehugger Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 I don't like the bone around the sectoid's eyes. It seems kind of out of place, one of the original things that creeped me out about sectoids was the fact that you couldn't see any of their bones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breunor Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 I can see the bony face or the smooth face version working. Here's a pic showing the bonier version... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breunor Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Or perhaps more of a smooth face, with a body suit? There are lots of alien visitor stories where they wore dark work suits. Hopefully the idea isn't overshadowed by my "impressive" art skills (impressively bad!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl. Facehugger Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 I like the second one more. It seems to mesh with my idea of what a grey should look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[Micah]] Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Perhaps they could have the passive look while you assault their UFO or base, but when they come knocking at your base, they could have the aggressive look to them? Might be too much to have two models of it, though. I think the passive one would be better. Aren't they supposed to be mindless automotons? (except for sectoid leaders, I guess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drewid Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 IMHO the second looks too friendly, more to do with the angle of the eyes than with the brow ridges as such I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fux0r666 Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 The only time you see them you're engaged in a firefight with them. You would only ever see them in game with their warface on or their death mask. I would just like to see an emotive model that is capable of different facial expressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl. Facehugger Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 It would only require different sectoid heads right? Just make the bottom sectoid pic that bruenor posted more malicious looking and it will be perfect in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fux0r666 Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Or an animated skin mesh and skeletal animation capability so the shape of the mouth and eyes, etc could be manipulated independent of what the body was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drewid Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 That's certainly do-able. I would also hope to have the body working in sections with some of the bones under code control. similar to the half life system, so upper body movement is to a degree independant of the legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breunor Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 I also like the second pic, I think the eyes are OK, it's the mouth with its "I'm almost smiling at you" look that makes the alien too friendly. Even the smaller full body shot head looks meaner due to the angle you see the face from. If we used a mouth that suggested "I've been constipated for a month, and I'm taking it out on you", that design would work well. What do people think about wearing a body suit versus bare skinned? I prefer the suit, as we can make a smoother model and not have to explain away gonads and the like. We could make them wear the outfit the phone guy in Verizon commercials wears ("can you hear me now? Good!"), certainly he's an alien. But the dark suits could have slight variations based on ranks if you wanted, or maybe lapel pins or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fux0r666 Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 (edited) I, personally, think all Greys should be wearing space suits outdoors. edit: That would give them the constricted mouth, HUGE eyes, HUGE head... and without the space suit they look a little more fleshy and malign or emotive. Maybe even vulnerable. It would be a great twist for the autopsy. Edited September 24, 2003 by fux0r666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl. Facehugger Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Hmm, I like that idea fux0r! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[Micah]] Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 I think it would look better with no suit. It might look too much like the aquanots in TFTD. We can explain away gonads and the like by saying they do not reproduce, i.e. cloned or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fux0r666 Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 That's how they reproduced in the original. The alien reproduction research with the cloning vats would be kind of strange if they didn't. What I get from the original CT is that they are much like the borg only they do not assimilate individuals, but genetic code... and so they're combing the cosmos for diverse genotypes to add to their own genetic pool (or various casted genetic pools). As far as the aquanauts, I'm not sure I understand. I wasn't implying that they have fishbowl helmets or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 (edited) I'll agree with Micah. Plus it does kind of break with ufo folklore to have the 'grey's' clothed. Having said that though ufo folklore is kind of like the 'evidence' of ufo's very subjective to personal experience Edited September 26, 2003 by Deimos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drewid Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 (edited) some greys wear silver suits edit - in ufo folklore that is Edited September 26, 2003 by drewid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim69 Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 I've heard of them wearing dark green wetsuit type things as well in my travels looking for pictures of UFO's and stuff. It said they were all slimey and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breunor Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Yes, I've read in several "visitor" threads that they wore grey suits. What do people think about having theeir skin be a very pale, almost white color? Sort of like cave fish I guess. If they wore grey or silver suits, that would explain why people remember them being grey in color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[Micah]] Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 By aquanots, I was trying to contrast between the fishbowl suit in TFTD and the plain clothing in UFO. I would prefer no suit, unless the suit was thin and small enough to not be a distraction, if that makes any sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breunor Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Yeah, I was thinking very thin, even a spandex/wetsuit type of outfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl. Facehugger Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 IIRC when greys are depicted wearing clothes, it is very much like shiny metal spandex. Hmm, we might not want to overdo the spandex bit though, especially if the mutons (like in deimos' concept) wear spandex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fux0r666 Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Greys often wear silvery, skintight suits in the folklore. This is a great kook site for folklore: http://www.crowdedskies.com/ They have an interactive autopsy. It's kind of minimalist and lame but it does have some interesting ideas on the physiology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fux0r666 Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 (edited) Well, it's been in development for quite a while off and on, and I think I have a face that looks alien and wise but could still portray a range of emotions (ie. Malice). The one to the left is an environment suit idea. Excuse the poor composition and the cut off feet. This was from a page in my notebook and there were other things on it. Edited October 30, 2003 by Deimos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikker Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 -This pic says it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl. Facehugger Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 What? Â Anyway, that sectoid is intresting, but I would perfer if it looked a bit more like a "Classic" alien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 I agree with Cpl F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fux0r666 Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 What is classic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaaish Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 I kinda like that design, one suggestion would be to maybe not have the neck arch forward so much. Makes him look old and feeble instead of menacing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl. Facehugger Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Fux, "classic" is the stereotypical grey. Big almond shaped eyes, pale grey skin (Essientially like the xcom 1 sectoid except with grey instead of tan skin.) A lot of people know what a basic "grey" looks like, we don't want to deviate too much from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustedSoul Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 I like it, but it just does not feel.... quite right.. have alook at this and see what you can adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl. Facehugger Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Look especially at the shape and placement of the eyes, fux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breunor Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Well to each their own, but I like your concept fux. It has similarities to the ethereal, which is nice, but still has that grey feel IMO. The bent neck doesn't fit IMO, but the (wide) eye placement looks good to me. Personally the original sectoid from xcom looks like a cute baby alien, not an adult menacing earth. Everybody, since we have Cubik working on the "classic grey" design, why not have this as well? This is more of an intelligent space explorer look to me, personally I like it. What about a more aquatic looking sectoid as a third concept? The larger fishy eyes, maybe gill slits near the cheeks instead of a mouth? I guess I'm a big Cthuhlu fan at heart, eh? Very nice concept fux0r, keep up the good work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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