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#1 Robo Dojo 58

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Posted 06 September 2006 - 07:04 PM

In the original X-Com, sucessful recoveries give a lot of money. I mean a LOT. A captured supply ship can easily be on par with a month's worth of funding. Several ships can easily triple your organisation's growth. IMO, it's great when you only do 1/3 - 1/2 of the missions, but if you go for them all, the income can be a little rediculous. Therefore, I suggest some kind of system to "tax" the cost of a mission. Shave a little off the top, not only so that you have a less powerful source of income, but so that you have a reason to play well at the same time. I call it "damage control".

Damage control basically represents all the hidden expenses of dealing with a ground mission. Such expenses include:
- Cutting up a captured ship/alien base, and mailing it back to base. (basic costs for every ship/base capture)
- Cleanup. Corpses, shells, nothing ever happened here, etc. (basic costs for every mission)
- Damaged dropship (repairs aren't cheap!)
- damaged property. (keep people happy)
- Hush hush money (extended missions may require you to pay more witnesses off)
- costs for killed civilians (hush hush money)
- costs for wounded/killed soldiers (treatment and insurance plans)

The function of the damage control is to act as sort of reverse mission bonus. You see, if you blow everything up, lose a lot of soldiers, and kill everyone in sight, even if you win the mission you can incure costs up to 60-70% of the mission profits. That only leaves you with a paltry 30-40% to deal with, not even counting the loss of tanks, replacement troops or munitions. Include that and you may walk away with nearly nothing. However, if you are fast, clean, and efficient, you will get an amazing 70-90% of the profits of a recovered UFO! That's a lot more than you'd get from a sloppy mission.

These costs also reflect the hazards to X-Com publicity which vary from mission to missions. For example, an alien ship in the middle of a desert is easily cleaned up, and may incure a small penalty at the end of a mission. Supply ships may be impossible to recover at all, due to the heavy base activity outside its door. However, a terror mission causes headaches all around. The best you can really hope for a terror mission is to lose as little as the aliens are trying to take away from you.

So, comments or suggestions?
Posted Image Haha! I'm now the Supreme Commander of X-COM. Time to kiss Earth goodbye.

My first order of business: Homeless people make cheap rookies, and are great at opening UFO doors. Heck, they're so cheap, I'm going to replace all personel with them!
Secondly: This organisation takes too much money to run. Weapon shipments will come from Siberia from now on. Costly maintenance is to be cut on all facilities. That includes venting.
Thirdly: We have a new colonel. His name is Facehugger, he loves aliens, and I want you all to treat him with respect.
Lastly: I'll be in my condo on an undisclosed island, if you need me. Good day.

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#2 GARAK

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Posted 08 September 2006 - 03:32 PM

I believe this was discussed elsewhere but yes it is an interesting proposal. I think it would make things more realistic and intesting but i don't know about the hush hush money. Maybe in the beginning, but money won't keep people quiet. Some other means whether chemical or psionic would have to be employed to keep people quiet as soon as possible.

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Posted 08 September 2006 - 04:32 PM

I like your line of thinking on the drugs and/or psionics in lieu of bribery on leaders. I think it fits in what both the aliens do when they're subverting you, but distasteful as it is, its also something desperate I could easily see X-COM doing at different times.

Still, while money is still useful during play, it should remain an option. Actually it makes a good reason to do something by having big payrolls. One of the things that bothered me was that you coudn't really do anything with your wealth in the first game so its fun to think of alternatives.

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Posted 08 September 2006 - 06:58 PM

I believe this was discussed elsewhere but yes it is an interesting proposal. I think it would make things more realistic and intesting but i don't know about the hush hush money. Maybe in the beginning, but money won't keep people quiet. Some other means whether chemical or psionic would have to be employed to keep people quiet as soon as possible.

I don't just mean paying people so that they don't talk, although everyone does have their price. B) X-Corps is a top secret organization that needs to keep a low profile, not only from the public, but even from local police or military as well. It also needs to keep people from getting wise about the alien threat. That doesn't mean silencing everyone, but to keep definite evidence and definate consensus impossible to find. That's not cheap.

If you are quick, efficient, and leave little trace in your mission, then that's easily covered up. For example, 10 agents fly in, 9 leave with 6 body bags. Some cleanup here, some money there, and they were fighting an undercover terrorist cell. Privacy is assured. If 10 agents fly in, 3 leave with PLASMA burns, civilians have been ripped apart from the inside with exoskeleton husk remains, and the area is turned into a war zone... that's not so easy to explain. Thus the costs for keeping the project confidential go up, WAY up. And psionics are NOT needed for that. This is just PR stuff that X-Corps needs to deal with, being a top secret organization.

Anyway, it isn't particularly important how it's explained (though I did pretty well I think), as what it'd do for the game. The idea is that the better you do on a mission, the more reward you walk away with. The worse you do, the less you get, beyond the relatively cheap costs of people and gear. It provides a reasonable baseline cost to every mission attempt and success, and brings a secondary cost to a "scorched earth" policy. That's pretty much the idea, really.

Edited by Robo Dojo 58, 08 September 2006 - 07:09 PM.

Posted Image Haha! I'm now the Supreme Commander of X-COM. Time to kiss Earth goodbye.

My first order of business: Homeless people make cheap rookies, and are great at opening UFO doors. Heck, they're so cheap, I'm going to replace all personel with them!
Secondly: This organisation takes too much money to run. Weapon shipments will come from Siberia from now on. Costly maintenance is to be cut on all facilities. That includes venting.
Thirdly: We have a new colonel. His name is Facehugger, he loves aliens, and I want you all to treat him with respect.
Lastly: I'll be in my condo on an undisclosed island, if you need me. Good day.

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Posted 09 September 2006 - 04:24 PM

and brings a secondary cost to a "scorched earth" policy. That's pretty much the idea, really.

rats. no more spamming the battlefield with blasterbombs <_<
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#6 Robo Dojo 58

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Posted 09 September 2006 - 05:47 PM

rats. no more spamming the battlefield with blasterbombs <_<

Blaster bomb paradise will still be worth every penny, I assure you. ^_^ We'll just say that a power plant exploded. In the middle of London. And caused 12 separate craters. They'll believe it. :hideit:

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 04:17 PM


rats. no more spamming the battlefield with blasterbombs <_<

Blaster bomb paradise will still be worth every penny, I assure you. ^_^ We'll just say that a power plant exploded. In the middle of London. And caused 12 separate craters. They'll believe it. :hideit:

I thought the current policy was to blame terrorists.
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Posted 11 September 2006 - 05:31 PM

It's a good thing bin laden doesn't have blaster bombs...
It's a good thing prez bush doesn't have blaster bombs...
It's a good thing I don't have blaster bombs...

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Posted 14 October 2006 - 07:02 PM

Question - why hide X-com activities? Is there some written scenario, in which people miss blatantly obvious - war on Earth? I mean, you can hide an UFO in the desert, but not a terror mission in the center of London or dogfaight in the air! And why hide at all?

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 03:15 PM

Stargate SG1 covers up its activities because people aren't ready for the truth and knowledge of aliens would cause massive panic and possibly world wars over limited alien technologies and resources...
Anyone watch that show?