Robo Dojo 58 Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 (edited) Wierd. I had a base selected in Micah's saved game, and I opened one of my new superhuman games, only to find this! It looks like my game didn't select the bases correctly, but it looks very cool. Has NE1 been able to do this before? --Edit: Tiff files aren't shown as pics. Hmm.... Changed to Jpeg. Edited December 23, 2003 by Robo Dojo 58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikker Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 yeah, mine did that too...strange... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j'ordos Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Entirely for LordT's snickering pleasure :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg540 Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Now the question is, Even with all those missle defenses can the base hit an attacking UFO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl. Facehugger Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 I'm sure it could hit a ufo, but the question is Could it destroy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupSuper Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 the question is: could the aliens bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[NKF] Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 (edited) I've actually built a base with multiple grav shields and a battery of rocket modules (just for fun - I don't build gun modules - but that's better left for another discussion). (I think it was something like 4 rocket pods and 6 grav shields 4 x 6 = 24 rockets) Let's just say that the attack time is awfully long, but the battleships do get blown to smithereens when enough missiles hit. Back to the original topic though: If you have a game with more than one base, select the last base, and then load a game with less bases. The last base will still be in memory and since savegames don't remember which base was selected, the last selected base will still be selected. This phantom base will have all the modules, inventory, scientists and engineers (no soldiers or ships) from the last game that you can either sell or send to another base. However, the moment you deselect the base, it can no longer be selected. The game cuts a few curves by not clearing any data, instead, it marks it as unavailable. It's still there, you just can't select it, that's all. This is the same reason for the proximity mine bug in the CE, and partially the cause for the ammo clip inside an alien corpse bug that some of you might have noticed from time to time. Looking at the screenshots, however, I think the emulator you used may have cleared the memory - or the game just grabbed a section of unused RAM. - NKF Edited December 27, 2003 by NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 Hey, do you actually get the game to work in Dosbox 0.60 ? It crashes for me in the battlescape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puasonen Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 I've actually built a base with multiple grav shields and a battery of rocket modules (just for fun - I don't build gun modules - but that's better left for another discussion). (I think it was something like 4 rocket pods and 6 grav shields 4 x 6 = 24 rockets)Hmm.. I just heard from elsewhere that it doesn't matter if you have 1 or 10 of those grav shields. It only lets you use those defences twice.. Means:NO grav shields and 4 missile defences = 4 missile defences1 grav shield and 4 missile defences = 2*4 missile defences10 grav shields and 4 missile defences = still 2*4missile defences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[NKF] Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Multiple grav shields work. But don't take my word for it. Test it yourself and find out for sure. Radars, now radars are a different story. Only one of each type of radar will work at any given time. The detection probabilities of the different radars do stack - though it's a moot point for the HWD. But for the small and large, they work best together. - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Multiple grav shields work. But don't take my word for it. Test it yourself and find out for sure. Radars, now radars are a different story. Only one of each type of radar will work at any given time. The detection probabilities of the different radars do stack - though it's a moot point for the HWD. But for the small and large, they work best together. - NKFAre you saying that it's useless to have more than one small and one large radar system in a base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[NKF] Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 (edited) That is correct. Even though the base screen indicates otherwise, the additional radars don't increase radar range or the detection probability. Just increased rent. This is another case where my curiosity was able to dig up some interesting facts about the game. I was using the CWE editor to edit a new base so that it was packed with small radars, just to find out for sure whether the detection range was improved. The radars wouldn't pick anything up. It turns out that the CWE editor doesn't set the actual 'radar' variables for the base itself, which the game sets when new radars are built (exact same reason base editors make it so that the HWD is always built with 1 remaining build days). So I restarted this experiment the old fashioned way, by installing 5x6 + 5 small radars myself. Worked out just fine , but the radars were no better than one. I checked the base files again, and the detection probability for small range detection was still 10. To cut thing short, on further experimentation, the large radar has a short range detection of 20 and a long range detection of 20. Combined with the small radar, its short range detection is raised to 30. Additional small and large radars had no effect on detection whatsoever. The HWD raises a separate stat, and this one goes all the way to 100 (hence 100% detection). Sorry for my long windedness - and by temporarily going off-topic. I do that, you know. - NKF Edited December 28, 2003 by NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Sorry for my long windedness - and by temporarily going off-topic. I do that, you know Not at all, I find your findings very interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robo Dojo 58 Posted December 28, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Multiple grav shields work. But don't take my word for it. Test it yourself and find out for sure.What version of X-COM are you using? Mine is UFO DOS V1.4, and you can never use more than one grav shield. IIRC, it worked that way on the Playstation X-COM as well. the additional radars don't increase radar rangeEh, that's not too bad. Radar works on line of sight. If more radars would allow you to see around the world, it'd be pretty stupid, and make bases less useful IMO. but the radars were no better than one.That's wierd. Did you try a saved game, with a UFO directly overhead? You could count how many times it is found, or how early it is spotted. The HWD would help alot for that. (Build HWD, find UFO, smash HWD, use radar/s, see how often/early you can find UFO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[stewart] Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Multiple grav shields work. But don't take my word for it. Test it yourself and find out for sure. Radars, now radars are a different story. Only one of each type of radar will work at any given time. The detection probabilities of the different radars do stack - though it's a moot point for the HWD. But for the small and large, they work best together. - NKFHas that been valid for all versions of Xcom. I seem to remember testing that years ago and being disapointed. My version is the REALLY old DOS one (I really should look it up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[NKF] Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 (edited) Re multiple grav shields: Hmm, I'm sure that I've seen it happen before, as I recall blowing a battleship to smithereens with a small battery or rocket modules and multiple grav shields. But that was so long ago -- I'll have to get back to you on it if I ever get a chance to test it. I've not bothered with defences in such a long time, my recollection might be a bit fuzzy. Captain: The detection probabilities are stored as an entry for each base in the base file. A small radar will raise the bases's short range detection by 10 points. Multiple small radars do not raise this any further than the initial 10 (but adding a large radar will add an extra 20 to SR detection). If all the radar types are set to 0, then the base does not pick up any UFOs. (note the CWE editor suit does not set these values when installing the small and large radars) By the way, destroying your radar will not disable the radar until the next radar is officially 'built' by the game. Try it. Start a new game, destroy your small (or large) radar and play for a bit. You'll still be picking up UFOs. What we have is a phantom radar. See, what's happening is that when you destroy the radar module, the game doesn't recalculate the detection probabilities and leaves them as they were. It won't recalculate them until a new radar is 'built'. When a radar is built, the physical radar module no longer has any function and is merely cosmetic. - NKF Edited December 28, 2003 by NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Maniac Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Wow, if I would have known all this before I said "gee, let's waste tons of money on a radar base..." I've concluded simply that there's not a single question you can ask that NKF can't answer. I'll try one of these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Nah... I'm positively SURE there is no XCOM-related question that is NKF-proof... His in-depth exeperimentation must be strongly supported by an efficient & independant "guessing module" of some kind... NKF's our secret weapon against the aliens!!! :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[NKF] Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Aiee! You're giving me far too much credit. Look, I may be knowledgeable in some aspects of the game but I don't know everything nor am I always right. I get to make mistakes all the time, like everyone else. Really! I kid you not. - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherImp Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 My radar bases consist of an access lift, a hyperwave decoder, and a mind shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex the greater Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 (edited) am i the only one who notested the fire tommy option Edited August 26, 2004 by alex the greater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris StarShade Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Now the question is, does that button force Tommy to get a new job, or does it randomly pick a fusion ball defense and make him blast-off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex the greater Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 yah that would be the ultimet wepon fire tommy at near light speed at the alien battleship he will surive the battleship wount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 I'm sure he will... :: Damn!How in the nine hells did you notice that button in the first place!!Is it really there or is it an edited screenshot?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j'ordos Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 If you check the original topic you'll see someone already noticed, it is just an edited pic. Now that is solved we can stop spamming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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