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#1 Intri

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 10:46 AM

Hi there

I want to start discussion about preparing and theory of tournaments - I know that the game doesn't bring much support for organising tournaments but I feel there is a need for good organised and well prepared tournament. I would like to know your opinion about how to:
1. choose properly tournament settings to enjoy as much players as possible
2. encourage players to take part in
3. make good plan of assigment players to matches (there are many posibilities for that)
4. play all needed matches in predictable (and reasonable) time
5. show result of tournament
and other similar things.

Maybe it is too early for this kind of discussion but I think it would be nice to make real tournament soon. I even think about making something like tournament FAQ for players who want to organise it.

#2 Kraplax

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 02:57 PM

Well, why not?
Actually, it would be more easy if the official server would be more stable and athers too. Because so rarely i try to connect to any from the server list and so much more rarely i end up succeeding (not mention how many users are there when i have the good luck!). So there would be great to make some system of file lists which would be dynamically updated containing info about what servers are running now, and, probably, how many users are there.
Also it would be more easy to implement those new features of server chatroom that are mentioned in another thread. I mean clocks and "battle requests" that are held for some time e.g. 24h.
So, we'll wait just for a while. When (and if) developers implement those features then we'll rise this theme again =)

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 03:32 PM

1. choose properly tournament settings to enjoy as much players as possible
2. encourage players to take part in
3. make good plan of assigment players to matches (there are many posibilities for that)
4. play all needed matches in predictable (and reasonable) time
5. show result of tournament
and other similar things.

1. There are no proper settings. Tournaments are meant to be fun. Choose what rules would be interesting to play by your choice. You're the host.

2. Not sure what you mean by encourage players. If you mean to put something up on the ufo2000 site, we only have one active webmaster and that's Nachtwolf. He is also our leader, programmer, graphics artist, debugger, etc. etc... He can only do so much, and we don't want to cause a burden on him any further. If you mean server, however, then no this would be not a good idea. We can't keep hard coding the server text to say "Player is hosting a tournament, check here for details.". We can't have it so that anybody can just go on the server and click on the "host tournament" button either. It would be a disaster when somebody clicks on it and fail to even host anything.

Just use these forums. We're more than happy to let you to create tournament threads. I have done this in the past before: http://www.xcomufo.c...?showtopic=7901

If you're not satisfied with that, use your own website to host them. Maybe we can even put a link our site. ;)

3. Whether it's single elimination, point rounds, or whatever, again, you decide.

4. Timezones make this extremely difficult. Use your judgment of when the deadline for a match is. Usually a day or two within range works.

5. That's your responsibility. May it be on your site, or these forums. :)


So there would be great to make some system of file lists which would be dynamically updated containing info about what servers are running now, and, probably, how many users are there.

You can still use this: http://ufo2000.xcomufo.com:2000/

It's the same thing of what you are talking about.

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 09:37 PM

running a tournament is the sole duty of the host(s), all rules, regulations, and organization comes from their hard work and desire to create a fun experience for all involved. I'd expect with the constantly shifting timezones and player base this will be quite a challenge. You are most welcome to use #ufo2000 at irc.quakenet.net for any organization purposes. I'm usually idling in the channel and will definitely put any information you want in the topic to help out.

I'd almost suggest running your own server for the duration of a tournament to both have it's own statistics you can check on for results. It only takes very little system resources and a moderate speed (stable) connection, perhaps a little know how of your router. I can help with this if you have troubles to.

Anyone running/organizing a tournament should also put together a thread specifically for the event where questions from players are asked, and updates are made, as well as replays provided.

I know it's a lot of work to get something like this running, and there are bound to be things that will go wrong, so be prepared. Personally, I have some plans for running some short-term campaign style games, but I just don't have the time to organize that kind of endeavour at this moment.

#5 Intri

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Posted 12 September 2007 - 08:17 AM

Organising tournaments would be fine, but I want to know what kind of preferences players have. I'm not sure if I will make a tournament by myself (as you said it is not simple to do that), but some informations about preferences posted here would help other people who want to organise a tournament too.
Also I'm very happy that tournament is organised by Enix. I hope it will bring much fun and entertainment (of course if it will take place).
I will sign-up - experience gained there will help in organising future tournaments.

Personally, I have some plans for running some short-term campaign style games, but I just don't have the time to organize that kind of endeavour at this
moment.


It sounds interesting B) .

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Posted 12 September 2007 - 09:25 AM

Times could be in GMT so the zones and winter/summertime would not be for the organizer to scratch head about.

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Posted 12 September 2007 - 04:49 PM

I think that ther should be a tournament server in replacement with a backup server , ther are 2 so 1 should be a backup server and i could help with the site im in webdisne curently and now lots of .HTML and .xml

Edited by eric100013, 12 September 2007 - 04:51 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2007 - 05:54 PM

I think that ther should be a tournament server in replacement with a backup server , ther are 2 so 1 should be a backup server and i could help with the site im in webdisne curently and now lots of .HTML and .xml

Completely unnecessary.

It's not as if the current server is overcrowded as it is.

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Posted 12 September 2007 - 07:49 PM

Popek said:

I know it's a lot of work to get something like this running, and there are bound to be things that will go wrong, so be prepared. Personally, I have some plans for running some short-term campaign style games, but I just don't have the time to organize that kind of endeavour at this moment.


What, exactly are you talking about? Not to go too far off topic...

Edited by Longshot, 12 September 2007 - 07:50 PM.


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Posted 13 September 2007 - 10:03 AM

There should be clear forfeit rules at least if players can't agree on a time or if one doesn't show up etc. Also this forum and the main server are down from time to time so there should be backup ways of holding communication lines (irc channel at least, probably e-mail addresses of all attendees held by the organizer). Well, this all if the tournament is long. If it's a short tournament then that's probably not necessary.

#11 Popek

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 12:59 PM

Longshot: If you've ever played tabletop campaign style games, particularily those in the Gamesworkshop franchise. I'm thinking more along the lines of Necromunda or Mordheim, as they are squad based games. The main premise is a few players start with very even teams, who are poorly equipped and experienced. Then, within the rules and plan of the campaign players win and lose, gaining more soldiers, more equipment, better equipment, etc... Out of these matches rivalries will no doubt happen, fun little twists could occur, etc... I won't go into more detail until I've put together a proper thread for it.

#12 Intri

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 04:32 AM

I was thinking about tournaments last days more, and I think I would like to try to host next one. I would start signing-up 2-4 weeks (maybe later if it is too fast) after finishing current tournament. If someone wants to host his own tournament too - no problem, I can wait and organize it later (even in next year :wink1: ).
If you want I can place here rules earlier to discuss them. I am planning to make website where would be scores and tables.