Conventional Pistol Too Powerful

[Kratos]

I did some testing with the pistol from revision 869, and it is too powerful. Conventional is fun weak. It is meant to be weak. We already had this discussion with Serge and he decided to get rid of the change made to 40 power. Why is it back now? The old 26 power was great. Please leave the conventional weapons (pistol and rifle) alone. Edited June 28, 2005 by Kratos

[Jamaru]

I disagree with you because the pistol was too imbalanced. 10 power over is not much of a difference. If it was higher than 40 then I would agree but its not like that. Pistols can be made more powerful than rifles. Its not impossible. Besides I like it this way. Edited June 28, 2005 by Abyssion

[[Blehm 98]]

Pistol = shoots faster, but much smaller clip - the desert eagle is far more powerful than an M-16 or M-14

Rifle = has a burst setting, is more accurate, and more shots, but less stopping power

[Hobbes]

*picks pistol and shoots himself on the head*

[Kratos]

Ahem, it is called "pistol" not "desert eagle"

 

I can see both of you haven't played with full conventional teams yet. I have, and I have won some. I don't need to win with an uber pistol. If you calculate, the pistol is stronger than the rifle even with auto shot. Are people going to say that the plasma pistol needs to be stronger than a plasma rifle now? Nobody sees that since they are weak the way they should, it gives you a new twist of different tactics. Now I can beat people easier now. I want to lose sometimes you know. <_>

 

Abyssion: you need to do some calculating, conventional pistol isn't as deadly as a rifle. Rifle bullets are bigger and give a harder thrust do they not?

 

Hobbes: Yes, we all know you are tired of this discussion because nobody agrees with us.

Edited June 29, 2005 by Kratos

[[Blehm 98]]

good point kratos, i see your point now

and yes, we don't need the pistol stronger to win, i was just saying a maybe

[Kratos]

Yeah I know Blehm. Just trying to show my point.

[Jamaru]

I still disagree with you. The pistol is perfect with 40 power and did you ever think of it as a special pistol? Please don't pick at this and I'm tired of imbalanced issues.

This topic needs to be closed. Its really ridiculous of picking at of a mere power of 40.

[Kratos]

I still disagree with you. The pistol is perfect with 40 power and did you ever think of it as a special pistol? Please don't pick at this and I'm tired of imbalanced issues.

This topic needs to be closed. Its really ridiculous of picking at of a mere power of 40. 

First of all, you haven't made a reason against why it doesn't matter. Second, what is so special about a pistol when it says "pistol", it sounds ordinary to me. <_ thirdly why does it matter to you of imbalanced issues since when were a developer if are tired such as this don comment have no good reason explaining isn too strong fourth all did get decide close issue should be discussed here in the forums just like serge said href="http://ufo2000.lxnt.info/mantis/view.php?id=281">issue#0000281 in the bugtracker when discussing imbalances. He doesn't want to junk up the bugtracker with discussions, but resolutions. Please give reasons why it should or shouldn't for such discussions. Last but not least..."mere" 40 power?!? (ahem, its 26 power, not 28) that +14 per shot can make a big difference. I will give the power to how much damage the pistol increased through the highest possible amount of shots, as well as the maxium shots through for a rifle:

 

pistol (26 power, 5 shots) = 130 damage possible

pistol (40 power, 5 shots) = 200 damage possible

rifle (30 power, 7 shots) = 210 damage possible

 

That is a +70 increase! Pistols don't have as big bullets and hard thrust as rifles as i said in my previous post. You just made the pistols able to kill a flying suit with all 5 shots. Pistols aren't as strong as rifles <_>

 

Now, you may argue that 10 less is weaker, but did you think about accuracy? The calculations for the rifle were done through auto shot 2 times and snap 1 time. Each auto shot is 35% accuarate and 60% per snap. You will only land 4 shots with a rifle for snap so it would be compared this way:

 

pistol (40 power, 5 shots) = 200 damage

rifle (30 power, 4 shots) = 120 damage

 

now it is +80 stronger than the rifle. Not balanced at all. <_>

Edited June 29, 2005 by Kratos

[[Blehm 98]]

Well, you could add a modified pistol (desert eagle) which fires a round that does 50 damage with a 7 shot magazine that costs low points

that would satisfy both of you

[Kratos]

It would satisfy me to have the pistol back the way it was.

 

But would the desert eagle go under the "standard" weapon set? I have no right to decide to add things to the standard set.

[DakeDesu]

/me decides against using emoticons to tease

 

My vote goes to a weak pistol. Remember in Ufo: Enemy Unknown, one may do research on Laser Weaponry? Remember how the Laser Pistol was done first (well first constructably)? While I have to check the stats, that would imply, in balancing, that the Laser Pistol is weaker than the Laser Rifle to me.

 

I would think a similar situation would apply right here.

 

Maybe a compromise is to have the pistol _just_ as powerful as the rifle, just more inaccurate than the rifle? Rifles would be more accurate, as the method to go about shooting them is different for is different than the typical way a pistol would be fired.

 

/me imagines somebody getting a black eye from recoil on a pistol being aimed like a rifle.

Edited June 29, 2005 by DakeDesu

[Kratos]

Making the pistol 30 damage, but making the rifle more accurate is fine with me. Maybe make the rifle 65% to 70% accurate for snap. Main developers, don't get carried away with making it over 70% snap accurate.

 

Now we can provide more logic to the pistol and rifle.

Edited June 29, 2005 by Kratos