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[Raven Squad]

To me it looks ok, tho it would be cool if they wear berets...

[Xracer]

You know covers are not allowed in doors
so if you are in base the hat should not be there the rest i think
looks really nice i am not an artist so to me it looks great also its
cool to have some one that work on the original Xcom

[Breunor]

Make sure the insignia's backwards then, so they can read it in the mirror. Just like an ambulance having it backwards so it reads correctly in the rear mirrors of other vehicles. That's a nice picture there. Another option could be MiB outfits- black suit, shoes, and glasses... just don't make the pug dog agent!

[LordT]

Make sure the insignia's backwards then, so they can read it in the mirror. Just like an ambulance having it backwards so it reads correctly in the rear mirrors of other vehicles. That's a nice picture there. Another option could be MiB outfits- black suit, shoes, and glasses... just don't make the pug dog agent!

These are soldiers, not top secret agents.

[Breunor]

'Tis true they were secret agents, but the hardware they carried around would make the special forces proud! :uzzi:

[LordT]

drewid: You mean the job X-INV had before becoming X-COM?

And there's still a difference between agents and army guys ALTHOUGH 10 James Bonds with accesories couldn't be all that bad when battling aliens

[red knight]

Both look cool, at last we have a concept artist...

Greetings
Red Knight

[Lambers]

Oh thank god, a concept artist, I haven't done a concept scetch since my last computer arts class. (over a year ago) I gave it a shot today, and I still suck as bad as I used to... Anyway that looks good to me, I invision the light personal armor going over that, sort of like clamping on... shoulder pads, knee pads... that kind of thing, anybody?

-Lambers

[LordT]

Here's a beret...
Not sure...





LordT X-Inv?  That you Steve?

No I just picked that up on some fan site that said that that was part of the story
I'm not sure thoug, but it sounded cool

[Mindblighter]

I like both versions, they don't look too far-fetched (don't really like Star Trek-type clothing). Should I (or someone else) start modelling? Erm...what was the polycount limit again? 1000-2000?

[Breunor]

Like the ethereal model, maybe you should make the soldier seperate from the clothing, then we're ready when we want to make the 'adult only' mod of the game! :devilsmile: Just kidding! I think the consensus was 1000-1500 for a unit, preferably as close to the low end as possible I expect.

[Mindblighter]

Uhh...do you mean the clothes should be made as a seperate mesh that is included in the same polycount limit?
And I assume you mean a 2-sided mesh "floating" around the model...hmm...I wonder how many polys are wasted hidden behind clothing in the end. Jacket/shirt/coat might be ok as a mesh object, but what about something like shoes or gloves? And I'm not sure if very many models will be wearing shorts either. But command me and I shall obey

[red knight]

layers of poly are a %^£$£$^% nightmare to rig and animate. unless you use a cloth system. and milkshape/gmax certainly don't got one of those 

I always wanted to program one of those precious clothes animation systems, but thats only a wish... so stick to the easy approach maybe on V6.0 we can do it that way...

but it would need another poly inside to make it double sided. (Hey RK are the figures going to be back-face culled?)

What do the artists need? State the requirements the rest is OpenGL work... backface culling is just adding something like this: glEnable (GL_BACKFACE_CULLING) - Not exact code but it is the idea-... For performance issues i go for very gross culling not at the polygon level, thats for sure (the HW i far better on that)...

Greetings
Red Knight

[Mindblighter]

*scratches his head*
I wonder if we really need that many polys for hands...
But actually, I was wondering if it is really worth the effort (or polys) to model a face. Would a deformed 'ovalish' shape with a square nose do the trick? They don't show their faces much in the game do they?

[red knight]

I guess you'll be drawing all the bones stuff at once?

What do you mean??? Can you be more specific?

Greetings
Red Knight

[j'ordos]

Is that helmet angular? Or meant to be round?

[j'ordos]

Well, apart from the shape of the helm and the vest you're going to change anyway, there's not much I can make out of it
So I'll just shut up now...

[revenant4]

Just my opinion but that armor looks a lot like some on the Personal Armor thread...nice idea though

[Vaaish]

this is the image Deimos came up with for the Personal Armor I believe and what I was going to work off of. I'm going to edit it to be a cross between this and some alien alloy parts. to fill the transition stage to full alien alloy.

I think that the starting combat uniform should be as close to modern tech as possible. remeber just tack on about 5 years or so..

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[Vaaish]

Hmm, I think I see what u mean now. I think the 2 armours should have simularities and differences, I like using the Landwarrior system, prehaps it could be incorperated into ur design.

There should definatly be something that distinguishes the two armours tho. I'm not sure what, but it should definatly look like the Personal Armour is a little heavier than this, yet still maintaining manuverablility. Maybe if the middle section was slightly thicker, and in the X.Net entry it could say something like "With an improved thickness close to that seen in heavier CT groups the armour still maintains a relatively light weight and good protection"

I spose this depends on the CTD write up on both, if they have 1, I'm gonna take a look and c if there is a way we can distinguish ur design from mine while still maintaining the overall flow. I don't know what u think, but I recon the helmet should be the same, but made of the lighter and stronger alien alloys.

Depends on u tho, the way u wanna take ur design.

Edit: This is the way I'd like 2 take the T-Shirt armour, little protection really, this being the standard British military issue DPM's, mixed with the Land Warrior helmet. Then ur Personal Armour could include more of the Land Warrior, more protection and with some alien alloy's mixed in there, in the way u were planning. Here's the pic I'm gonna use as a starting point ( obviously with gloves and no rolled up sleeves and burgen (SP?) )

I'm planning on having a visor wrap around the front and a few plates of alien alloy on say the chest and arms maybe on or two on the legs.

[Vaaish]

There is 1 thing I could use help with. Does ne1 know if Poser is ne good 4 getting face models? I can model the rest but faces are a little too round I think to model. I think the rest I can do with cylinders and boxes by moving vertacies around, but faces are seriously gonna screw up the shading and skinning.

work on doing it yourself. I'm very doubltful that Poser can get one low poly enough. It'll be good proactice.

[Vaaish]

It s a start, looks like he is going to have some kind of pack? If not then the back arches a bit too much.

[j'ordos]

I thought it was a female looking to the left side of my screen ::

just kidding , there's at least a discernable humanoid shape in it, but the back is indeed bent to much, and I think the chest needs to come a bit higher before sweeping back towards the neck. Here's a side view of a man's torso, maybe you can use it?

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Edited by j'ordos, 20 August 2003 - 04:13 PM.

[Breunor]

What I've found works well is to find the various profile pics and use them as the background for the various viewports. Then you can create verts along those profiles and connect the dots. There's a good tutorial on the Milkshape web site about making a female model that might be useful too.

[Cpl. Facehugger]

Why not! Besides, it would be uncomfortable for a girl to have her breasts smushed up against the rigid flak vest.

(I'm for having all the female xcom agents naked, but I doubt that will happen, so I want to at least be able to tell them apart from my male soldiers on the battlescape.)

And in regards to cup size in games, minimum is CC, max is ZZ.

Edited by Cpl. Facehugger, 21 August 2003 - 09:02 AM.

[Breunor]

Should we make this a one-handed game?

In the SCA about 10% of the fighters are female, and most wear steel breast plates. They typically have a little curvature to them, but no steel bras with reinforced nipples like some fantasy pics would show. You've all probably seen armor that has a stylized chest plate where the pectoral area is sticking out further, that could serve both as the reinforced trauma plate and also give enough room for various anatomy. We'll probably just take the male armor and tweak it a little to make the female version, but I wouldn't hold your breath for triple digit cup sizes...

[Cpl. Facehugger]

Yes, a one handed game would be perfect!!! Yes!

Ohh, that stinks. :crying:

Oh well, some difference between male and female models is better than no difference. Actually, are the female models going to be in general smaller in size than the male models? I mean, irl, aren't women (usually) smaller than men?
As long as the women have breasts, unlike the original, im happy.

Edited by Cpl. Facehugger, 21 August 2003 - 09:20 AM.

[Vaaish]

Yes, a one handed game would be perfect!!! Yes!

Ohh, that stinks.  :crying:

Oh well, some difference between male and female models is better than no difference. Actually, are the female models going to be in general smaller in size than the male models? I mean, irl, aren't women (usually) smaller than men?
As long as the women have breasts, unlike the original, im happy.

The fenale models should probably be more on the slim side while hte males are more built. think of how most women's arms are much slimmer than the male counterpart. they should probably be a little shorter than males as well say about 2 to 5 inches.

[Vaaish]

Jim: before you get too far, remmeber to make the head as a separate object so we can swap them in and out easily.