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#101 UnFleshed One

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Posted 28 November 2005 - 10:18 PM

Not really, I just have hard time translating :).
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Posted 28 November 2005 - 10:22 PM

I kinda figured young aliens had all their "basic" knowledge drilled into them shortly after birth through psionic means... which would explain why some aliens do not think for themselves. Of course, I could be wrong, but oh well. :P
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Posted 28 November 2005 - 10:31 PM

I guess theres no takers on this:
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It says:

Sectoids
Strike a blow for
Freedom NOW.

The concatenation errors are:
1 ) The "k" and the "eh" in "Sec" in Sectoids can be joined at the bottom.
2 ) The "k" and the "ee" in "Strike" can be joined at the bottom.
3 ) The "F" and the "r" in "Free" in Freedom can be joined.
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Posted 28 November 2005 - 10:35 PM

Oh, I found concatenation errors all right. But how one knows which soud goes when... I guess I'll have to learn korean first :)
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Posted 28 November 2005 - 10:44 PM

It's not korean its english. The arrangement rules are only inspired by korean but doesnt actually use the korean arrangement rules. The rules are somewhat complicated because English uses the annoying practise of consenant clusters; for example the word "Strength", 8 letters - 1 vowel . . .yuck.
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Posted 28 November 2005 - 10:50 PM

Yeah, it's arrangement rules I have problems with :). I can identify sounds good enough...

BTW, can symbols be stretched with a loss of aspect ratio? Or proportions are always constant?
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Posted 28 November 2005 - 10:53 PM

Stretch or squish them to fit. Chinese actually does that. They have a base set of symbols with which they build-up there more complicated characters; and they squeeze stretch and some times actually ROTATE them. No rotation for alien script.
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Posted 28 November 2005 - 10:59 PM

But can you strech one in a way so it will look like two other joined? (strech height two times with constant width)
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Posted 28 November 2005 - 11:09 PM

I dont believe so, since each character whether joined in a ligature or not fits into a right angle rectangle not any trapazoidal or parallelagramic space.
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Posted 28 November 2005 - 11:18 PM

Edit: I meant aspect ratio :)

Is this (big one) one stretched symbol or two joined?

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Posted 28 November 2005 - 11:59 PM

It is not two joined because the interfaces must match. If it were two joined you'd have an ending of line joining to a line at 90 degrees. Since lines in parallel for all the characters are not the same length this helps to avoid ambiguities as well. So your drawing shows two "s"es. Not an "s" and two stacked "z"s
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 01:55 AM

English:

Subject: Human male,
approximately 32 units tall and 51 units in weight.

Subject was acquired 13 cycles ago, around the environs of a small agricultural plot. When acquired, subject was aggressive and confrontational, finally being brought under control using mind wave manipulation. While under manipulation, subject was encoded with a transceiver unit. Response was less than satisfactory, and invasive surgical means were required to hard implant behavioral control units. Subject was non-compliant during operational procedures, exhibiting strong verbal and physical spasms. Restraints were required. It is this researcher's opinion that surgical bays should be equipped with drains, as a copious amount of fluid was discharged from the subject's body during surgical procedures.


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I still have to proofread the alien for mistakes, but this'll get you going.
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 02:04 AM

Excellent!! =b that looks absolutely awsome, must have taken forever! I'll put that in the computer and update those scan lines! Great stuff!

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 09:03 AM

Credits to Denevive for the text :)

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 05:21 PM

Excellent!!  =b that looks absolutely awsome, must have taken forever! I'll put that in the computer and update those scan lines! Great stuff!

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Thanks and yes, about 4 hours.

BTW can you spot the numbers in the text.
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 06:06 PM

Excellent!!  =b that looks absolutely awsome, must have taken forever! I'll put that in the computer and update those scan lines! Great stuff!

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Thanks and yes, about 4 hours.

BTW can you spot the numbers in the text.

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Quite easily spotted, in fact the symbol for 32 stands out a little too much from the text compared to the other numbers here
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 09:36 PM

A XCorps researcher who worked on almost hopeless project of translating alien written language was very surprized when he finaly did managed to translate his first peace of it. It turned out that while aliens had their own very special _writting_ system, in their spoken ways aliens were not far from any average american, meaning they were speaking plain old english!

Yeah, I'm offtoping again :) (hides under a cover)

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 10:29 PM

Quick scan reveals "spelling" mistakes. Corrected text to follow shortly (probably not tonight though).
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 10:35 PM

Excellent!!  =b that looks absolutely awsome, must have taken forever! I'll put that in the computer and update those scan lines! Great stuff!

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Thanks and yes, about 4 hours.

BTW can you spot the numbers in the text.

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Quite easily spotted, in fact the symbol for 32 stands out a little too much from the text compared to the other numbers here

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It does but it's a verticle stroke with a slight cross-stroke to destinguish it from a one; not much to do about that. Did you note 13; I wanted to avoid it looking like the symbol for the long "A" (A-). Even though "we" have O and 0, and l and 1.
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Posted 03 December 2005 - 03:13 AM

Excellent!!  =b that looks absolutely awsome, must have taken forever! I'll put that in the computer and update those scan lines! Great stuff!

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Thanks and yes, about 4 hours.

BTW can you spot the numbers in the text.

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Quite easily spotted, in fact the symbol for 32 stands out a little too much from the text compared to the other numbers here

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It does but it's a verticle stroke with a slight cross-stroke to destinguish it from a one; not much to do about that. Did you note 13; I wanted to avoid it looking like the symbol for the long "A" (A-). Even though "we" have O and 0, and l and 1.

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Naah, that's alright, as long as it's done like this. When you start writing it by hand, then it could be a little troubling. But, since you haven't used a 'C'-shaped glyph, why not use that instead if you're really worried about lookalikes? Unless a C-shaped glyph will pose problems with concatenation, creating lookalikes there?
edit: do numbers get concatenated? If not, then it's a possibility :)

Edited by j'ordos, 03 December 2005 - 03:14 AM.

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Posted 04 December 2005 - 09:35 AM

I dont really see it as a problem. Occassionally you get a glyph that is busier or simpler than the rest; it just happens.
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Posted 04 December 2005 - 09:41 AM

BTW how about if the interested artists amongst us make some different "fonts". Take the basic characters and start from there; then work on the ligatures afterwards; what do you think?
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Posted 04 December 2005 - 10:42 AM

Oh alright, take1 sample:

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Posted 04 December 2005 - 02:03 PM

I like it keep 'em comin'.

J let's see the characters with the dots and let's see how it handles ligatures.
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Posted 04 December 2005 - 02:06 PM

The corrected text:
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This has been a good study as this one showed that not all syllables in english contain a vowel sound.

SPA-SMS and CHAR-GED
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Posted 04 December 2005 - 05:10 PM

I like it keep 'em comin'.

J let's see the characters with the dots and let's see how it handles ligatures.

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Full alphabet, and as extra the unused symbols ;)
Tried a ligature test, but I don't get the concatenation thing so I could be off a little :)

edit: what's the alien equivalent for ' ? :P

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Posted 05 December 2005 - 08:47 AM

Puctualtion is undecided at this point. At the moment I'm using none. Why dont you come up with something.

BTW your words (second grapphic)

SUB, JECT, ?,BET, ?, DUSS

Wait are you trying to say "Subject Alphabet Jordos"

Very sharp BTW

Hey how 'bout trying serifs!

Here's "Jordos" in a "medieval" font
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Posted 05 December 2005 - 01:36 PM

Puctualtion is undecided at this point.  At the moment I'm using none.  Why dont you come up with something.

BTW your words (second grapphic)

SUB, JECT, ?,BET, ?, DUSS

Wait are you trying to say "Subject Alphabet Jordos"

Very sharp BTW

Hey how 'bout trying serifs!

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I'll leave punctuation to you, our official xenolinguist ;)
In fact, I'll leave translations entirely to you...
Luckily, a good understander needs only half a word :)
(btw I meant to write 'font', must have made a mindslip when I wrote 'alphabet' - at least, tried to write)

Anyways, just a quicky with a sort of serif:
edit: what about serifs where letters join? (see the two joined glyphs in the first syllable)

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Posted 05 December 2005 - 05:26 PM

Neat! That one arrow in the middle of the ligature seems out-of-place though.
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Posted 05 December 2005 - 05:43 PM

Neat!  That one arrow in the middle of the ligature seems out-of-place though.

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That's what I meant with

what about serifs where letters join? (see the two joined glyphs in the first syllable)

leave them be or remove them? I'd say the latter
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Posted 05 December 2005 - 06:08 PM

Yep, your graphic demonstrates that.
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Posted 08 December 2005 - 12:46 AM

Sorry this took so long to do, I'm not really sure those scan lines work this time either, but I still haven't been able to see those new star wars for reference. :( .
How about a control panel? does the screen need one?

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 12:10 PM

a /labeled/ control panel :naughty:

Looks good btw.

Check this out.
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Posted 08 December 2005 - 04:47 PM

For those interested in different letters, etc:

http://www.decodeunicode.org/

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:39 PM

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 04:56 PM

Pretty colorfull, but I always thought the aliens would be on the dark side, with cryptic and dark writing

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 05:03 PM

It's supposed to be Neon.
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Posted 25 October 2006 - 07:37 PM

Okay I'm revamping the written language. Remapping characters and so on to make more underlying logic and to create more ligatures. Overall it'll "look" pretty much the same but I've added little circle thingies that'll make it look better. More details when they are ready.

Rather than having it be transcribed english should we actually try to create a full artificial language as well?
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Posted 25 October 2006 - 09:32 PM

Rather than having it be transcribed english should we actually try to create a full artificial language as well?

Well, if you have too much time on your hands, this would be quite ice; but creating a language is quite complicated, and I doubt that there will be too many people actually fleshing out that they could be able to read the transcribed english, let alone learn a language of its own, just to have some fun stuff written all over the place...
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Posted 26 October 2006 - 11:31 AM

right then I'll start with grammar then. :D
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Posted 28 February 2007 - 12:57 PM

Have you seen this link??

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Conlang

Conlanging seems really fun but it needs a lot of patience :(

Good luck stewy! =b

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 03:56 PM

Okay Version 2 of the writting system is done I'll post shortly, overall it looks the same but there are some interesting changes.
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