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Posted 04 February 2005 - 08:54 PM

Moved to Active, as sole exception, to be rewritten.

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 02:40 PM

"WHAT???, DAMMIT :Rant:"

Well, It's not my fault that you didn't check the previous posts before you started proofing it. ;)

"Alex would be Alejandro in spanish, maybe you already know that.
I just feel that the latin arms/drug dealer is widely used in many many occassions and has turned into a stereotype, which I dislike totally and wouldn't want Xenocide to further reinforce it"

Why yes, I know that Alejandro is Alex in Spanish, but I chose Carlos as my spanish name for personal reasons. Okay, I'll nix the nationality. How's John Smith grab you? :P


"Well, part of this is, I admit, personal bias. As I see it, when you're writing in an established setting, allusions should be obvious enough to be noticed, yet subtle enough so as not to make the reader think more about the reference (the real world, Microsoft, Windows, Bill Gates, BSOD) than what the text is actually about (Xenocide, Sidewinder IIb). It'd be a distraction, and it's a balance of sorts. On the other hand, if you're writing satire or parody, it's the exact opposite."

I see your point. In the latest version (coming within the week, I hope) the MS references will be a lot more subtle.

"I just feel like they are kinda... ridiculous, no offense :), but is it plausible that in 2012 is there going to be a company so similar to MS?, even with the owner called so similar to Bill Gates?, it sounds kinda odd in an X-net entry."

Meh. Difference of opinion. I thought it was cute when I was writing it.


"I did note that the XC-1 Gryphon entry saying it was the first hydrogen-based aircraft, but it implies that the hydrogen fuel cell technology was "just discovered." If the Sidewinder and Titan have used hydrogen since 19xx, then there might be a little problem with the chronology. However, I think this can be cleared up by saying something like: "the Sidewinder and/or Titan missiles were unveiled to the world shortly before the experimental XC-1 Gryphon design was slated for flight testing."

Good idea. I haven't read the XC-1 entry for quite some time, so I wasn't up to date on what it contained, so I didn't add it in. That's something else to add in.

"Titan entry says Sidewinder has hydrogen fuel cells, Sidewinder does not say that, or it is not very clear."

It says a 'Fuel core of hydrogen stored in Carbon Nanotubes for added stability.' Reworked into 'fuel cell' for easier comprehension in the WIP version.
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Posted 06 February 2005 - 04:11 PM

"WHAT???, DAMMIT  :Rant:"

Well, It's not my fault that you didn't check the previous posts before you started proofing it. ;)

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It's not about faults. It is my fault to have picked the wrong version, but you want to rewrite it anyway. I got the file from post 39, don't know where the latest one is.

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 07:03 AM

Okay, Now I'm confused... Where's the latest version?
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 08:13 AM

Not sure, this was to be rewritten, anyhow. Mad? do we rewrite it or use one of the versions here?

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 08:24 AM

Not sure, this was to be rewritten, anyhow. Mad? do we rewrite it or use one of the versions here?

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I would suggest the following: Use the version you posted (which was the wrong version according to facehugger) and someone please incorporate the discussed changes. If this someone who is going to do this feels he would rather write a new version, so be it. But as far as I am concerned, a polished version of Facehuggers CT will do the job.
Tzuchan, you mentioned you would prefer to write tech-CTs. You wanna try this one?

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 08:33 AM

Not sure, this was to be rewritten, anyhow. Mad? do we rewrite it or use one of the versions here?

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I would suggest the following: Use the version you posted (which was the wrong version according to facehugger) and someone please incorporate the discussed changes. If this someone who is going to do this feels he would rather write a new version, so be it. But as far as I am concerned, a polished version of Facehuggers CT will do the job.
Tzuchan, you mentioned you would prefer to write tech-CTs. You wanna try this one?

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Tempting, very tempting. Let me clear off the Raptor Autopsy first ok? :D
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 08:46 AM

Tempting, very tempting. Let me clear off the Raptor Autopsy first ok? :D

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No problem. So this is your CT now. *stamps* :)
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Posted 13 March 2006 - 04:28 AM

I would suggest a total redesign from the ground up, using research based on actual, real world weapons systems. A new version of the sidewinder is about to come out, actually.

There is almost nothing in that text that is possible or feasible. For instance, the missile tracks the aircraft that launched it-

All versions of the sidewinder besides development versions in the very beginning of its R&D are heat seekers. For a heat seeking missile to track the aircraft that launcher it, the seekerhead would have to be looking backwards. In order for the seeker head to look backwards, it would have to be able to see through its own body and through its own (fully operating) rocket motor.

The Sidewinder missile system interfaces with the aircraft's computer system. The aircraft actually uses the sidewinder's eyes to see when the pilot is targetting enemy aircraft. The pilot selects and locks the target before firing the missile. For the missile to change targets to an aircraft behind the missile itself when conceivably has a clear view to the enemy aircraft to which it is locked is... well... you get the picture.

I don't believe a single 'fact' about that missile in its operation or its performance specifications. A lot of the numbers presented in the text seem arbitrary. I think this text could really benefit from some brief research into real world missile specifications.

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Posted 13 March 2006 - 05:11 AM

Extensive changes. See what you think, chaps.

SIDEWINDER LIGHT MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Sidewinder

The Sidewinder III is currently the best medium-range Air-to-Air missile (AAM) in the world. It has the necessary firepower to devastate most small to medium-sized craft easily and quickly. Its relatively short range (in comparison to other medium-range missiles) is only a minor hindrance; longer ranged missiles should be used in BVR (Beyond Visual Range) engagements. The payload of six missiles per bay means that a fully stocked XC-1 can carry twelve missiles, providing enough ammunition to conclude most low to mid intensity engagments.

The Sidewinder III, an adaptation of the Sidewinder AAM, has had endured a troubled design process. During the Neo-Russian revolution, an unscrupulous arms dealer named Carlos Carroll-Teal sold a number of Sidewinder missiles (and other weapons) to the revolutionaries. After the formation of the N.U.S.S.R. (New Union of Socialist Soviet Republics) the New Soviet government realized that it needed a better missile for its air force. Thus the Sidewinder IIa AAM was born. The early Sidewinder IIa’s were fraught with design problems. The imaging IR seeker lacked sensitivity, and refused to track targets at the outer limits of the missile's range.  The thrust vectoring system was slow, resulting in the missile often overshooting agile targets.

However, both problems were eventually ironed out, with great improvements eventually made to the maneuvering and imaging systems. The result was the Sidewinder III, one of the most reliable missiles ever made. Later, the N.U.S.S.R. provided the same Carlos Carroll-Teal with a number of the new missiles for a reasonable price to reward his previous assistance to the revolution.

Upon return to the U.S., Carroll-Teal promptly set up a small factory, purportedly for the production of cars.  Wishing to get into the legitimate arms business, he also formed a company; the Buffalo Group. This company expanded until it became the main supplier for the entire U.S. military.  Recently, BG has released the Sidewinder III on the global market.

Unlike its predecessor, the Sidewinder III contains a single-burn engine using a fuel core of hydrogen stored in carbon nanotubes for added stability. This engine is capable of speeds in excess of Mach 7. For additional maneuverability, the Sidewinder III sports twelve extendable fins which can be adjusted during flight by the missile’s on-board guidance system.

The missile’s nose is made of depleted Uranium-236 for enhanced penetration characteristics. The cobalt-lithium warhead is large enough to down even large aircraft such as cargo and passenger jets. The warhead can be set for an impact or proximity fuse for maximum versatility.

“The Sidewinder III is one of the best missiles I have ever used. This thing swats down other fighters like flies. Heck I doubt even these 'UFOs' I keep hearing about could take one and keep on going.”  - Flight Officer Andrew Macdow.


Not sure about the DU nose, left it in for now. It'd be good for use on the larger UFOs, where direct impact would be necessary to do damage, but pointless for smaller targets, where the proximity fuse setting would render it nothing more than extra weight.

Edited by FullAuto, 13 March 2006 - 05:13 AM.

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Posted 13 March 2006 - 05:18 AM

Air to air missiles typically do not make contact with their target. They rely on blast and fragmentation to do their damage. I would leave it out considering that this missile tech should be a development of current missile tech, being generation 1 xcom technology.

Edited by fux0r666, 13 March 2006 - 05:19 AM.


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So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
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Posted 13 March 2006 - 05:28 AM

Air to air missiles typically do not make contact with their target.  They rely on blast and fragmentation to do their damage.  I would leave it out considering that this missile tech should be a development of current missile tech, being generation 1 xcom technology.

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Uhm, sorry guys, I don't mean to interrupt you, but this is actually tzuchans CT ( see post above). I forgot to update the Active texts list - sorry FullAuto! Nevertheless, thanks for your comments, could give tzuchan an easier start... :)

Edited by Mad, 13 March 2006 - 05:29 AM.

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Posted 13 March 2006 - 05:34 AM

No, AAM's typically don't make contact, but they certainly could against such a large target as the bigger UFOs. Could be useful then, but apart from that, nope.

Sorry, Mad, my mistake.
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Posted 13 March 2006 - 05:44 AM

No, AAM's typically don't make contact, but they certainly could against such a large target as the bigger UFOs.  Could be useful then, but apart from that, nope.

Sorry, Mad, my mistake.

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 04:16 PM

Ok, this is our next objective! Zombie, Kafros, let's get to work!

Let's work on Basis of FullAuto's attempt (since tzuchan never cared to start to work on it. <_< )

SIDEWINDER LIGHT MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Sidewinder

The Sidewinder III is currently the best medium-range Air-to-Air missile (AAM) in the world. It has the necessary firepower to devastate most small to medium-sized craft easily and quickly. Its relatively short range (in comparison to other medium-range missiles) is only a minor hindrance; longer ranged missiles should be used in BVR (Beyond Visual Range) engagements. The payload of six missiles per bay means that a fully stocked XC-1 can carry twelve missiles, providing enough ammunition to conclude most low to mid intensity engagments.

The Sidewinder III, an adaptation of the Sidewinder AAM, has had endured a troubled design process. During the Neo-Russian revolution, an unscrupulous arms dealer named Carlos Carroll-Teal sold a number of Sidewinder missiles (and other weapons) to the revolutionaries. After the formation of the N.U.S.S.R. (New Union of Socialist Soviet Republics) the New Soviet government realized that it needed a better missile for its air force. Thus the Sidewinder IIa AAM was born. The early Sidewinder IIa’s were fraught with design problems. The imaging IR seeker lacked sensitivity, and refused to track targets at the outer limits of the missile's range. The thrust vectoring system was slow, resulting in the missile often overshooting agile targets.

However, both problems were eventually ironed out, with great improvements eventually made to the maneuvering and imaging systems. The result was the Sidewinder III, one of the most reliable missiles ever made. Later, the N.U.S.S.R. provided the same Carlos Carroll-Teal with a number of the new missiles for a reasonable price to reward his previous assistance to the revolution.

Upon return to the U.S., Carroll-Teal promptly set up a small factory, purportedly for the production of cars. Wishing to get into the legitimate arms business, he also formed a company; the Buffalo Group. This company expanded until it became the main supplier for the entire U.S. military. Recently, BG has released the Sidewinder III on the global market.

Unlike its predecessor, the Sidewinder III contains a single-burn engine using a fuel core of hydrogen stored in carbon nanotubes for added stability. This engine is capable of speeds in excess of Mach 7. For additional maneuverability, the Sidewinder III sports twelve extendable fins which can be adjusted during flight by the missile’s on-board guidance system.

The missile’s nose is made of depleted Uranium-236 for enhanced penetration characteristics. The cobalt-lithium warhead is large enough to down even large aircraft such as cargo and passenger jets. The warhead can be set for an impact or proximity fuse for maximum versatility.

“The Sidewinder III is one of the best missiles I have ever used. This thing swats down other fighters like flies. Heck I doubt even these 'UFOs' I keep hearing about could take one and keep on going.” - Flight Officer Andrew Macdow.


Edited by Mad, 05 December 2006 - 04:23 PM.

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 08:00 PM

Q: was this in active tasks or completed? The only reason I ask is because it would be helpful to know if this is a simple proofreading or a more ambitious project. :wink1:

Working under the assumption that this is a proofreading *crosses fingers*, I only made some very minor changes.

SIDEWINDER LIGHT MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Sidewinder

The Sidewinder III is currently the best medium-range Air-to-Air missile (AAM) in the world. It has the necessary firepower to devastate most small to medium-sized craft easily and quickly. Its relatively short range (in comparison to other medium-range missiles) is only a minor hindrance; longer ranged missiles should be used in BVR (Beyond Visual Range) engagements. The payload of six missiles per bay means that a fully stocked XC-1 can carry twelve missiles, providing enough ammunition to conclude most low to mid intensity engagements.

An adaptation of the Sidewinder AAM, the Sidewinder III has had endured a troublesome design process. During the Neo-Russian revolution coup, an unscrupulous arms dealer named Carlos Carroll-Teal sold a number of Sidewinder missiles (and other weapons) to the revolutionaries. After the formation of the N.U.S.S.R. (New Union of Socialist Soviet Republics) the New Soviet government realized that it needed a better missile for its air force. Thus the Sidewinder IIa AAM was born. The early Sidewinder IIa’s were fraught with design problems. The imaging IR seeker lacked sensitivity, and refused to track targets at the outer limits of the missile's range. The thrust vectoring system was slow, resulting in the missile often overshooting agile targets.

However, both problems were eventually ironed out, with great improvements eventually made to the maneuvering and imaging systems. The result was the Sidewinder III, one of the most reliable missiles ever made. Later, the N.U.S.S.R. provided the same Carlos Carroll-Teal with a number of the new missiles for a reasonable price to reward his previous assistance to the revolution.

Upon return to the U.S., Carroll-Teal promptly set up a small factory, purportedly for the production of cars. Wishing to get into the legitimate arms business, he also formed a company; the Buffalo Group. This company expanded until it became the main supplier for the entire U.S. military. Recently, BG has released the Sidewinder III on the global market.

Unlike its predecessor, the Sidewinder III contains a single-burn engine using a fuel core of hydrogen stored in carbon nanotubes for added stability. This engine is capable of speeds in excess of Mach 7. For additional maneuverability, the Sidewinder III sports twelve extendable fins which can be adjusted during flight by the missile’s on-board guidance system.

The missile’s nose is made of depleted Uranium-236 for enhanced penetration characteristics. The cobalt-lithium warhead is large enough to down even large aircraft such as cargo and passenger jets. The warhead can be set for an impact or proximity fuse for maximum versatility.

“The Sidewinder III is one of the best missiles I have ever used. This thing swats down other fighters like flies. Heck I doubt even these 'UFOs' I keep hearing about could take one and keep on going.” - Flight Officer Andrew Macdow.

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Posted 06 December 2006 - 02:34 AM

Nope. Sorry. this was under active. I should've told so. Sorry. Do you really feel that this text is close to completion...?
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Posted 06 December 2006 - 11:58 AM

The way it stands now, it reads good and is organized. Can't say that for most of the other texts in active right now. That being said, it doesn't really read like a normal Xenocide text. Don't really know if that is a good or a bad thing.

I guess the question I have is: What do you think needs to be done with the text? Complete rewrite? Minor changes? If we know exactly what needs to be done, we can concentrate on improving those parts/areas without spinning our wheels. :wink1:

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Posted 06 December 2006 - 05:31 PM

Ok. I think a lot of his text needs to be rewritten. The techical parts themselves are ok, but judging the whole text, I feel there is much too much history and too little technical detail. Let's shrink history lesson to one §. No specific names, just a short abstract. The reason why this text doesn't read like an XNet report, is that there are a lot of quite short sentences, which are not written in a technical, but in an "advertising" tounge.

Maybe I can get clearer. Let's have a specific look:

SIDEWINDER LIGHT MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Sidewinder

The Sidewinder III is currently the best medium-range Air-to-Air missile (AAM) in the world. It has the necessary firepower to devastate most small to medium-sized craft easily and quickly. Its relatively short range (in comparison to other medium-range missiles) is only a minor hindrance; longer ranged missiles should be used in BVR (Beyond Visual Range) engagements. The payload of six missiles per bay means that a fully stocked XC-1 can carry twelve missiles, providing enough ammunition to conclude most low to mid intensity engagements.


SIDEWINDER LIGHT MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Sidewinder
The Sidewinder III currently is the best medium range Air-to-Air missile (AAM) available in the terran armory. Originally designed to be carried by lightweight shortrange intercepors it features supreme firepower and agility over medium distances, allowing high precision assault in classic dogfight situations. The per-bay payload of six missiles guarantees sufficient ammo even in mid intensity engagements.


That said, I don't think the text is bad and should be discarded, but as I see it, a major re-write with extensive salvaging of the old text is the way to go.

Edited by Mad, 06 December 2006 - 05:35 PM.

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Posted 06 December 2006 - 06:13 PM

That's what I thought. Okay then, I'll see what I can come up with tonight/tomorrow. Thanks for setting us straight. :)

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Posted 07 December 2006 - 04:29 PM

Just a quick question, if I may. I have been doing a little research into the sidewinder missile to get some ideas together. Now, I read that the Sidewinder is capable of attacking in head-to-head combat situations - meaning if you and your target are on a collision course and you shot off your sidewinder it could hit the front of the aircraft instead of circling around to the back to get a "lock" on the hot exhaust (sidewinders are primarily IR seeking).

In the original game, your aircraft always had to circle around and attack from behind - they couldn't fire off a missile in head-to-head situations. So what are we going to do? Allow head-to-head attacks in Xenocide or ditch them in favor of the ye old way?

BTW, if anyone is interested, I think we should base the Titan missile text off the AIM-54 Phoenix (or a slight variant). I'm going by American developed weapons here, so don't be offended by the choice of types. :wink1:

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Posted 08 December 2006 - 04:22 AM

Just a quick question, if I may. I have been doing a little research into the sidewinder missile to get some ideas together. Now, I read that the Sidewinder is capable of attacking in head-to-head combat situations - meaning if you and your target are on a collision course and you shot off your sidewinder it could hit the front of the aircraft instead of circling around to the back to get a "lock" on the hot exhaust (sidewinders are primarily IR seeking).

In the original game, your aircraft always had to circle around and attack from behind - they couldn't fire off a missile in head-to-head situations. So what are we going to do? Allow head-to-head attacks in Xenocide or ditch them in favor of the ye old way?

BTW, if anyone is interested, I think we should base the Titan missile text off the AIM-54 Phoenix (or a slight variant). I'm going by American developed weapons here, so don't be offended by the choice of types. :wink1:

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Phew. tough question. I would say it would be substantially easier to code the original way. So, let's assume the X-COM way for v1. But you /could/ mention it if you like. It's a feature of the missile. Doesn't say anywhere that X-Corps tactics agree with the use of this feature...

As for the Titan: Tsereve is working on this, so maybe you two could sit together... :)
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 04:57 PM

And this hasn't got any attention for quite some time as well. Seems like everyone is still New-Year-drunk.
Zombie, what's about this?
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 12:44 AM

Not drunk. I was just very busy and didn't have much time to write anything. I'll have some time starting next week and should be more visible around these parts again. :)

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 02:25 AM

That would be good! :)
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SIDEWINDER LIGHT MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Sidewinder

An adaptation of the AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM), the Sidewinder III currently is the best AAM available in the terran armory. Originally designed to be carried by lightweight short-range interceptors, it features supreme firepower and agility over medium distances, allowing high precision assault in classic dogfight situations. The per-bay payload of six missiles guarantees sufficient ammo even in mid-intensity engagements.

The early Sidewinder II design was fraught with design flaws. The imaging IR seeker lacked sensitivity, and refused to track targets at the outer limits of the missile's range. The thrust vectoring system was slow, resulting in the missile often overshooting agile targets. However, both problems were eventually ironed out, with great improvements eventually made to the maneuvering and imaging systems. Unlike its predecessor, the Sidewinder III contains a vector thrusting, cryogenic engine made of carbon nanotubes. This engine is capable of speeds in excess of Mach 7 and provides exceptional maneuverability and seeking capabilities. Its advanced focal-plane array, combined with sensor data provided by the aircraft, provides reliable fire-and-forget guidance with friend-and-foe discrimination operation. The missile can be locked on a small variety of enemy aircraft parts and is even capable of head-to-head confortation. Alas, after preliminary analysis of UFO sightings, we speculate that suchs tactics will be impossible to utilize on such targets due to their design and extreme maneuverability. The cobalt-lithium warhead is large enough to down even large aircraft such as cargo and passenger jets and can be set for an impact or proximity fuse for maximum versatility.

"The Sidewinder III is one of the best missiles I have ever used. This thing swats down other fighters like flies. Heck I doubt even these 'UFOs' I keep hearing about could take one and keep on going for long!" - Flight Officer Andrew MacDow.

Just a draft after a long time. I'm afraid that I made it too powerful though. At least we'll have something to work on

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 01:59 AM

hmm... A lot of stuff I don't understand. :(

SIDEWINDER LIGHT MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Sidewinder

An adaptation of the AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM), the Sidewinder III currently is the best AAM available in the terran armory. Originally designed to be carried by lightweight short-range interceptors, it features supreme firepower and agility over medium distances, allowing high precision assault in classic dogfight situations. The per-bay payload of six missiles guarantees sufficient ammo even in mid-intensity engagements.

The early Sidewinder II design was fraught with design flaws. The imaging IR seeker lacked sensitivity, and refused to track targets at the outer limits of the missile's range. The thrust vectoring system was slow, resulting in the missile often overshooting agile targets. However, both problems were eventually ironed out, with great improvements eventually (double eventually) made to the maneuvering and imaging systems. Unlike its predecessor, the Sidewinder III contains a vector thrusting, cryogenic engine made of carbon nanotubes What the... is that? OMG This engine is capable of speeds in excess of Mach 7 and provides exceptional maneuverability and seeking capabilities. Its advanced focal-plane array, combined with sensor data provided by the attacking? aircraft, provides reliable fire-and-forget guidance with friend-and-foe discrimination operation. The missile can be locked on a small variety of enemy aircraft parts (how does this work? And how do you select those?) and is even capable of head-to-head confrontation (fixed typo). Alas, after preliminary analysis of UFO sightings, we speculate that such tactics will be impossible to utilize on such targets due to their design and extreme maneuverability. The cobalt-lithium (cobalt I know, but what's the benefit of Li?, and what's about the explosive set - AFAIR for anti-aircraft weapons, a penetrating power is not needed, since the warheads anyway only detonate near the target and seldom penetrate it's hull. In this case neither cobalt nor Li would make any sense besides making the missile less agile because of the high-weight head... ) warhead is large enough to down even large aircraft such as cargo and passenger jets (Actually I'm not quite sure, do you need special power to down something like this? I mean, those things are not made to be hit ba anything, and can be downed by a misguided eagle... ;) ) and can be set for an impact or proximity fuse for maximum versatility.

"The Sidewinder III is one of the best missiles I have ever used. This thing swats down other fighters like flies. Heck I doubt even these 'UFOs' I keep hearing about could take one and keep on going for long!" - Flight Officer Andrew MacDow.


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Posted 14 September 2007 - 06:36 AM

:Coffee: OMFG
I think that this is a case of over the top human tech... Current missiles are rated to around mach 4... another thing to keep in mind is that you are stuffing a lot of tech into a relatively small design... I mean, this is going to be at least two thirds the size of my Titan at most, and likely to be actually half the size/weight... Are you sure it's reasonable to put in a thrust vectoring system? At least you can't just throw it in without a drawback. Subsystem targeting is also overkill... This ain't some space sim where you can identify and knock out the engines to disable and leave the dumb aliens floating in space ^_^ .

With regards to Cobalt Lithium warhead, I think Kafros was basing it on the fact that cobalt lithium was supposed to be a very strong explosive. Mind you, I can't confirm that for a fact. Personally, a true test of a missile's capability in modern terms is the ability to hit a moving target as opposed to bringing more firepower nowadays :D Well, if you want a target for true survivability, try hitting a A-10 Warthog... Those are well know for literally surviving on a wing and a prayer...
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Posted 09 October 2007 - 07:52 AM

*Hums as he ignores his inactive status and hijacks another active CT with one of his own*

SIDEWINDER LIGHT MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Sidewinder

The AIM-9X Sidewinder missile is the latest in a long and distinguished line of short range heat seeking missile. Being a well matured weapon, it's reliability is second to none, and it's heat seeking abilities enable it to engage the stealthy designs of the unidentified flying objects(UFOs). While the AIM-9X does not have the range nor the accuracy of it's bigger cousin, the AIM-213 Titan, the Sidewinder's reduced size and weight enables our interceptors to mount more of the missiles.

The AIM-9 Sidewinder series has be around since the 1950s. It has been in service ever since then and regular updates to the electronics, propulsion and guidance systems have kept the Sidewinder series as one of the best short range interception missiles. The Sidewinder's heat seeking targeting system means that despite the UFOs' invisibility to Radar, the missile is still able to lock on and track the target. This makes the Sidewinder one of the few missiles that have "Fire and Forget" capability against the alien crafts. The only other kind of missiles that have similar abilities are missiles that use Lidar to track their targets. However, simulated dogfights against stealth aircrafts indicate that Lidar based tracking systems still have an advantage over heat seeking systems in achieving a hit. Nevertheless, the AIM-9X Sidewinder remains our best short range missile engagement system. In comparison with the Titan, the Sidewinder is a small and light missile. This means that a fighter plane can carry up to three times more Sidewinder missiles than it can Titan missiles. This means that it is very likely that interceptors equipped with the AIM-9X will have sufficient missiles for several engagements will fighters carrying Titan missiles will be limited in terms of number of targets they can engage.

Also, recent missile warhead development have resulting in an air-burst warhead. Using the same theory as that applied in bombs such as the Massive Ordnance Air Burst(MOAB) bomb, the warhead consists of two charges, a bursting charge and an ignition charge. Upon detecting that it is within range of the target, the bursting charge goes off, spreading explosive material into the air. Split seconds later, the ignition charge will then set off the dispersed explosive. This results in the largest possible shockwave for the amount of explosive materials carried in the warhead. The AIM-9X Sidewinder is the first mass production missile to incorporate this new warhead, and the increased damage potential of the missile may prove critical to our disabling of the enemy crafts.

The AIM-9X Sidewinder is a cheap and effective missile. This qualities will allow us to be able to arm our interceptors with the necessary firepower and yet not divert funds from critical research and development.

"I know we call the MOAB the 'Mother of all Bombs', so what are we supposed to call the new Sidewinder? The 'Sister of all Missiles'?"
- Interceptor Pilot after reading Sidewinder briefing materials


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Posted 09 October 2007 - 09:26 AM

Good to have you with us :)

Very interesting ideas. I like it, just a couple of things before we start taking it apart... ;)
  • is heat seeking really powerful enough (read: is a heat signature that distinct?) to lock on a target over such a distance (meaning fire&forget), or might we still need guidance through the atacking fighter in the first phase of the flight?
  • can the MOAB principle really work on a missile? Especially if it is going with Mach whatever, probably 3? You would always have a "trail" of the fume, thus burning it up not from the center, but from the "tip" and thus leading to an ignition wave leading from the target away.
    The huge question is, does that have any considerable effect or can we ignore this, since it will anyway make *boom* loud enough :P

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Posted 09 October 2007 - 10:21 AM

Heat Seeking Fire and Forget:

I didn't know this until I looked it up, but the AIM-9X does fall under the "Fire and Forget" category. I actually suspect most heat seeking missiles are. Heat seeking missiles work by have their heat sensors pointed at the infrared image of the target and being told to follow that heat source. Also, I've read that air friction alone is sufficient to create enough heat for a heat seeking missile to lock on. The main problem is pointing the sensor in the right direction in the first place.

MOAB Principle in the warhead:

I personally do not see a problem with it working... First of all, from the documentaries that I've seen the footage of the air burst principle in action, the time delay between the bursting charge and the ignition charge is so small that we only see one explosion in real time. Not enough time, I think, to have the target move far away. Regarding the trail of explosive issue. Don't forget that the explosive is also traveling at mach 3 in the first place. With the short delay for the ignition charge and the relative speed, I don't think the explosives will disperse to much or be left behind.

Also, I mainly put that in because the concussion blast, aka shockwave is the main reason that missiles knock airplanes out of the sky in the first place. I mainly placed that in as a filler text, to give the text more flavor and to make it a longer and more interesting read. (Although if any defense contractors out there design a system similar to mine, I'm going to demand royalties!)

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Posted 09 October 2007 - 10:28 AM

Here is a quote from wikipedia, and yes they really can lock on the heat from very far away

edit - you beat me, i was reading about missles before i is submit

Fire-and-forget is a third-generation method of missile guidance. This simply means that the user of such a missile merely has to fire it, and then can forget about it and it will still correctly strike the target. The military use the term for a type of missile which does not require further guidance after launch such as illumination of the target, and can hit its target without the launcher being in line of sight of the target. This is an important property for a projectile to have, since a person or vehicle that lingers near the target to guide the missile (using, for instance, a laser designator) is vulnerable to attack and unable to carry out other tasks.Generally, information about the target is programmed into the missile just prior to launch. This can include coordinates, radar measurements (including velocity), or an IR image of the target. After it is fired, the missile guides itself by some combination of gyroscopes and accelerometers, GPS, RADAR, and infrared optics. Some systems offer the option of either continued input from the launch platform or fire-and-forget.

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AIM-9X Sidewinder


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Posted 09 October 2007 - 03:56 PM

http://www.jolly-rog.../avionics.html:

A misconception about the AIM-120 is that the missile is a pure fire-and-forget missile, much like the AIM-9 Sidewinder. Although the AMRAAM's active radar-homing seeker does feature this capability, its ability to guide itself in this manner is limited by the distance between itself and the target. Simply put, the small radar located in the missile is not powerful enough to detect and track a target over the ranges at which missile launch typically occurs. At these ranges, the missile requires periodic updates during the flight as to the target's range and position. Though not completely autonomous in particular circumstances, the AIM-120 is a vast improvement over its predecessor, the AIM-7 Sparrow. This semi-active radar-homing (SARH) missile required the launch-aircraft's radar to continuously illuminate the target. The Sparrow then guided itself by following the radar energy reflected by the target aircraft. Should the launch-aircraft fail to keep the aircraft locked on radar, the missile would go astray. Using the AIM-120, the launch-aircraft is free to maneuver or direct attacks against other targets. In addition, the AMRAAM also allows the pilot to direct simultaneous attacks against multiple targets.


And another important feature:

While capable of detonating on impact, it is rare for a missile to actually come into direct contact with a maneuvering aircraft. As a result, modern air-intercept missiles are equipped with a proximity fuze. Designed to detect an object within the blast-radius of its warhead, the system detonates the warhead and relies on the blast and shrapnel effects of the missile to eliminate the target.

The active-radar proximity fuze of the AIM-120 is located just forward of the 40-pound warhead. It has been reported that the proximity detector is capable of determining where the target is in relation to the missile and then directing the blast and fragmentation pattern in that direction, thus maximizing effectiveness. However, this feature has not been confirmed, nor has the lethality range of the AIM-120's warhead.


Maybe we should look out more for patents like this one:

A method and apparatus for passive tracking and guidance in missile systems is disclosed. The system is utilized in conjunction with a target acquisition system such as a scanning infrared detection system. The target and missile are sensed and the measured displacement therebetween is utilized in conjunction with calculated nominal trajectory data to generate guidance control signals. In a preferred embodiment of the present invention, the guidance control signals are transmitted to a receiver on the missile utilizing a radar frequency transmitter.


So, I think it would be nice for the Sidewinder to be semi-autonomous. By that I mean that it is cabable to guide itself, but periodic updates from the plane are a plus, providing better data and maximizing efficiency (and probably guaranteeing that the after-effect of the explosion will have max-efficiency, that is the proximity range will be the optimal one :) )

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Posted 09 October 2007 - 05:13 PM

http://www.jolly-rog.../avionics.html:
A misconception about the AIM-120 is that the missile is a pure fire-and-forget missile, much like the AIM-9 Sidewinder. Although the AMRAAM's active radar-homing seeker does feature this capability,


That is for the aim 120, not the aim 9.. It says like the aim-9 but with out the active radar

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Posted 10 October 2007 - 03:08 AM

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SIDEWINDER LIGHT MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Sidewinder

The AIM-9X Sidewinder missile is the latest in a long and distinguished line of short range heat seeking missile. Being a well matured weapon, it's reliability is second to none, and it's heat seeking abilities enable the Sidewinder to engage the stealthy designs of the unidentified flying objects(UFOs). While the AIM-9X does not have the range nor the accuracy of it's bigger cousin, the AIM-213 Titan, the Sidewinder's reduced size and weight enables our interceptors to mount more of the missiles.

The AIM-9 Sidewinder series has be around since the 1950s. It has been in service ever since then and regular updates to the electronics, propulsion and guidance systems have kept the Sidewinder series as one of the best short range interception missiles. The Sidewinder's heat seeking targeting system means that despite the UFOs' invisibility to Radar, the missile is still able to lock on and track the target. This makes the Sidewinder one of the few missiles that have "Fire and Forget" capability against the alien crafts. The only other kind of missiles that have similar abilities are missiles that use Lidar to track their targets. However, simulated dogfights against stealth aircrafts indicate that Lidar based tracking systems still have an advantage over heat seeking systems in achieving a hit. Nevertheless, the AIM-9X Sidewinder remains our best short range missile engagement system. In comparison with the Titan, the Sidewinder is a small and light missile. This means that a fighter plane can carry up to two [IIRC, the launcher in the original game could carry either six Stingers or 3 Avalanche missiles] times more Sidewinder missiles than it can Titan missiles. As a result, interceptors equipped with the AIM-9X will have sufficient missiles for several engagements while fighters carrying Titan missiles will be limited in terms of number of targets they can engage.

Also, recent missile warhead development have resulted in an air-burst warhead which uses the same theory as that applied in bombs such as the Massive Ordnance Air Burst(MOAB) bomb. The new warhead consists of two charges, a bursting charge and an ignition charge. Upon detecting that it is within range of the target, the bursting charge goes off, spreading explosive material into the air which is then ignited by the second charge. This results in the largest possible shockwave for the amount of explosive materials carried in the warhead. The AIM-9X Sidewinder is the first mass production missile to incorporate this new warhead, and the increased damage potential of the missile may prove critical to our disabling of the enemy crafts.

The AIM-9X Sidewinder is a cheap and effective missile. This qualities will allow us to be able to arm our interceptors with the necessary firepower and yet not divert funds from critical research and development.

"I know we call the MOAB the 'Mother of all Bombs', so what are we supposed to call the new Sidewinder? The 'Sister of all Missiles'?"
- Interceptor Pilot after reading Sidewinder briefing materials


Kafros:

The Sidewinder already has the "Fire and Forget" capability, which means, as you said, that it can autonomously guide itself towards a locked on target. Also, especially since the Sidewinder is a name of an existing series of missiles, I figured it best that I kept it as close as possible to the original designs.

BTW, I don't know about you guys, but especially when dealing with human tech, I figure the way to go is to be less technical than the corresponding Wikipedia article I'd find about the subject.
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Posted 26 November 2007 - 07:58 AM

SIDEWINDER LIGHT MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Sidewinder

The AIM-9X Sidewinder missile is the latest in a long and distinguished line of short range heat seeking missiles?. Being a well matured weapon, it's reliability is second to none, and it's heat seeking abilities enable the Sidewinder to engage the stealthy designs of the unidentified flying objects (UFOs). While the AIM-9X does not have the range nor the accuracy of it's bigger cousin, the AIM-213 Titan, the Sidewinder's reduced size and weight enables our interceptors to mount more a greater compliment? of these? missiles.

The AIM-9 Sidewinder series has be around since the 1950s. It has been in service ever since then Don't feel a "then" is necessary here and regular updates to the electronics, propulsion and guidance systems have kept the Sidewinder series as one of the best short range interception missiles. The Sidewinder's heat seeking targeting system means that despite the UFOs' invisibility to Radar, the missile is still able to lock on and track the target. This makes the Sidewinder one of the few missiles that have "Fire and Forget" capability against the alien crafts. The only other kind of missiles that have similar abilities are missiles that use Lidar to track their targets. However, simulated dogfights against stealth aircrafts indicate that Lidar based tracking systems still have an advantage over heat seeking systems in achieving a hit. Nevertheless, the AIM-9X Sidewinder remains our best short range missile engagement system. In comparison with the Titan, the Sidewinder is a small and light missile. This means that a fighter plane can carry up to two times more Sidewinder missiles than it can if armed with? Titan missiles. As a result, interceptors equipped with the AIM-9X will have sufficient missiles for several engagements while fighters carrying Titan missiles will be limited in terms of number of targets they can engage. Never thought I would ever write this, but this is a rather complicated phrasing for the simple meaning it has. Maybe just remove the sentence, since the necessary information is anyway in the previous sentences?

Also, Recent missile warhead development have has resulted in an air-burst warhead which uses the same theory as that applied in bombs such as the Massive Ordnance Air Burst Blast(MOAB) bomb. Actually the MOAB bombs like the BLU-82 or the GBU 43 use conventional explosives, since the principle of thermobaric weapons like the CBU 55 does not work in the scale needed for MOABs. So the sentence should go "air-burst warhead which uses the same theory as that applied in thermobaric weapons" The new warhead consists of two charges, a bursting charge and an ignition charge. Upon detecting that it is within range of the target, the bursting charge goes off, spreading explosive material into the air which is then ignited by the second charge. This results in the largest possible shockwave for the amount of explosive materials carried in the warhead. The AIM-9X Sidewinder is the first mass production missile to incorporate this new warhead, and the increased damage potential of the missile may prove critical to our disabling of the enemy crafts. Maybe remove those to enhance flow.

The AIM-9X Sidewinder is a cheap and effective missile. This qualities will allow us to be able to arm our interceptors with the necessary firepower and yet not divert funds from critical research and development.

"I know we call the FOAB about? the 'Mother of all Bombs', so what are we supposed to call the new Sidewinder? The 'Sister of all Missiles'?"
- Interceptor Pilot after reading Sidewinder briefing materials
Fluff does not fit anymore. Maybe reword to:
"I know the russians do have the 'Father of all bombs', so what are we supposed to call the new Sidewinder? The 'Brother of all Missiles'?"
Which of course is a fluff many people won't understand.


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Posted 14 December 2007 - 06:25 PM

Para 4

The AIM-9X Sidewinder is a cheap and effective missile. This These?qualities will allow us to be able to arm our interceptors with the necessary firepower and yet not divert funds from critical research and development.


I'm a bit rusty (phun intended) :P so please forgive me if this suggested correction is wrong

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 11:24 PM

They are just fine :), any comments on the rest of the next? Anything that needs to be explained further?

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 04:21 AM

^_^

well there's something about this sentence in para 2 that doesn't feel right

This means that a fighter plane can carry up to two times more Sidewinder missiles than it can if armed with? Titan missiles.


maybe something like

This means that a fighter plane military aircraft can carry up to two times more Sidewinder missiles per hardpoint than it can if when armed with Titan missiles.


Edited by RustedSoul, 16 December 2007 - 04:24 AM.


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The new XAIM 3 Sidewinder is an advanced medium-range air to air missile developed by the joint private venture program NGESM (Next Generation European Standard Missile) which is an co-operation between numerous European arms companies and bares no history to the old AIM 9 Sidewinder except its name. The Sidewinder has an all weather, beyond visual range capability and it has been modified by X-Corps to be the new standard medium missile for all existing X-Corps fighter jets. Its a supersonic, air launched, aerial intercept missile and It uses active radar tracking together with active Radio Frequency (RF) target detection to guide itself towards its target. One major advantage that the XAIM-3 has that give it a good advantage as an Anti-Alien missile is that it was developed to engage the next generation stealth fighters/bombers. As a result of this the missile needs very vague radar signals to lock on and track a enemy target. The technology used to create this is rather simple actually as it uses the disturbed radar echoes from a stealth target to create a unique target profile that differs from that of an ordinary radar object. This tracking system is actually a software installed in the missile tracking unit which learns the missile how to separate a stealth target from a common target.
Together these three systems makes the XAIM 3 very hard to avoid once locked on.

Its weight is 320 pound, and its powered by an solid fuel rocket motor and the acceleration is quick as it reaches it top speed of Mach 4 within 4-5 seconds. and Its maximum range is 32 miles. In flight the missile uses both its own tracking systems but its also able to receive target updates from its carrier aircraft to during approach on its target.
At close range the XAIM-3 uses it own targeting system freeing the pilot, and allowing him to engage other targets. Excepts for extreme ranges the XAIM-3 work as a Fire and forget missile that give the pilot an clear advantage in comparison to older missiles.
Once near the target the XAIM-3 is very quick and agile so it becomes almost impossible for the enemy to lure it away even with extreme maneuvers. XAIM 3 explodes at a range predetermined by the pilot, the most usual range is about a few feet from its target resulting in a major shock wave that destroy or severely damage it. The warhead at 45 pounds is a new development from X-Corps using the superior effective C6 WE (Composition 6 Warhead Explosive) as an explosive but this also comes with an hefty price tag; still its power full enough to damage most alien vessel.
XAIM-3 can be mounted on any modern fighter aircraft such as F18, EuroFighter, Griffin and F22 this is because if there will be an total war against the aliens in the future, X-Corps can distribute X-AIM's all over the world to even out the odds a bit.
The XAIM-3 has been fully field-tested and is now ready for production aquisition.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 09:29 AM

Wow, we have had a lot of different versions of this CT. The last version was more or less done IMHO, but then again this one is very nice and the previous one does have some problems of its own :) ; maybe we can stir them together somehow; but let's try to finish this now and forever.

I think, maybe this part could easily be kept and integrated, with some obvious changes of course:

The AIM-9X Sidewinder missile is the latest in a long and distinguished line of short range heat seeking missiles. Being a well matured weapon, it's reliability is second to none, and it's heat seeking abilities enable the Sidewinder to engage the stealthy designs of the unidentified flying objects (UFOs). While the AIM-9X does not have the range nor the accuracy of it's bigger cousin, the AIM-213 Titan, the Sidewinder's reduced size and weight enables our interceptors to mount a greater compliment of these missiles.

The AIM-9 Sidewinder series has be around since the 1950s. It has been in service ever since and regular updates to the electronics, propulsion and guidance systems have kept the Sidewinder series as one of the best short range interception missiles. The Sidewinder's heat seeking targeting system means that despite the UFOs' invisibility to Radar, the missile is still able to lock on and track the target. This makes the Sidewinder one of the few missiles that have "Fire and Forget" capability against the alien crafts. The only other kind of missiles that have similar abilities are missiles that use Lidar to track their targets. However, simulated dogfights against stealth aircrafts indicate that Lidar based tracking systems still have an advantage over heat seeking systems in achieving a hit. Nevertheless, the AIM-9X Sidewinder remains our best short range missile engagement system. In comparison with the Titan, the Sidewinder is a small and light missile.


Most comments were already communicated via PM, some content related comments have been added though, but most of this is just to keep everyone in the loop.

so, here come some comments

SIDEWINDER LIGHT MISSILE
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The new XAIM 3 Sidewinder is an advanced medium-range air to air missile developed by the joint private venture program NGESM (Next Generation European Standard Missile) which is an co-operation between numerous European arms companies. Though several patents and licenses of the old sidewinders were acquired, the resulting missile itself were and bares no history to the old AIM 9 Sidewinder except its name. Why would someone want to throw away everything? Maybe we can change this into a 90% upgrade or sth... don't know. The Sidewinder has an all weather, beyond visual range capability I am not sure, but is BVR really necessary for a medium ranged missile? and it has been modified by maybe better: for X-Corps to be the new standard medium missile for all existing X-Corps fighter jets. Its a supersonic, air launched, aerial intercept missile and it uses active radar tracking together with active Radio Frequency (RF) target detection to guide itself towards its target. One major advantage that the XAIM-3 has features that give it a good advantage as an Anti-Alien missile is its capability to engage on that it was developed to engage the next generation stealth fighters/bombers. As a result of this the missile needs very vague radar signals to lock on and track an enemy target. The technology used to create this is rather simple actually as it uses the disturbed radar echoes from a stealth target to create a unique target profile that differs from that of an ordinary radar object. This tracking system is actually a software installed in the missile tracking unit which learns enables the missile how to separate a stealth target from a common target.
Together these three systems makes the XAIM 3 very hard to avoid once locked on. Maybe also implement LIDAR technology. Maybe not. Have a look a the "titan" CT

Its weight is 320 pound usually we try to use SI units , and its powered by an solid fuel rocket motor and the acceleration is quick as it reaches it top speed of Mach 4 within 4-5 seconds. and Its maximum range is 32 miles. hm, I guess there are some leftovers of previous comments here. :) Try to reword this sentences a little, so that you avoid multiple "and" in the sentence. Right now it reads a bit like an enumeration rather than like a flowing text In flight the missile uses both its own tracking systems but it is also able to receive target updates from its carrier aircraft to during approach on its target.
At close range the XAIM-3 uses it own targeting system freeing the pilot, and allowing him to engage other targets. Excepts for extreme ranges, the XAIM-3 works as a Fire and forget missile that give the pilot an clear advantage in comparison to older missiles.
Once near the target the XAIM-3 is very quick and agile so it becomes almost impossible for the enemy to lure it away even with extreme maneuvers. XAIM 3 explodes at a range predetermined by the pilot, the most usual range is about a few feet from its target resulting in a major shock wave that destroy or severely damage it. The warhead at 45 pounds is a new development from X-Corps using the superior effective C6 WE (Composition 6 Warhead Explosive) as an explosive but this also comes with an hefty price tag; still its power full enough to damage most alien vessel.
XAIM-3 can be mounted on any modern fighter aircraft such as F18, EuroFighter, Griffin and F22 this is because if there will be an total war against the aliens in the future, X-Corps can distribute X-AIM's all over the world to even out the odds a bit.
The XAIM-3 has been fully field-tested and is now ready for aquisition.

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Edited by Mad, 28 March 2008 - 09:51 AM.

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 04:28 PM

is it a short range or medium range missile?

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Posted 02 April 2008 - 01:11 AM

is it a short range or medium range missile?

Medium ranged. Though there are no short ranged missiles in the game, but I guess a short ranged missile would not make much sense.
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Posted 02 April 2008 - 08:29 PM

Cheers for clarification, Mad :)
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Try to use "however" instead of "But". Using "however" conveys a form of contrast, while "but" is typically used to oppose a previous statement.

Once near the target the XAIM-3 is very quick and agile so it becomes almost impossible for the enemy to lure it away even with extreme maneuvers. XAIM 3 explodes at a range predetermined by the pilot, the most usual range is about a few feet from its target resulting in a major shock wave that destroy or severely damage it. The warhead at 45 pounds is a new development from X-Corps using the superior effective C6 WE (Composition 6 Warhead Explosive) as an explosive but this also comes with an hefty price tag; still it's powerful enough to damage most alien vessels. XAIM-3 can be mounted on any modern fighter aircraft such as F18, EuroFighter, Griffin and F22 this is because if there will be an total war against the aliens in the future, X-Corps can distribute X-AIM's all over the world to even out the odds a bit.
The XAIM-3 has been fully field-tested and is now ready for aquisition.


Edited by RustedSoul, 02 April 2008 - 08:52 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2008 - 03:43 AM

sorry for the somewhat bad english but im swedish teached in a very strict form of high noble english. ^_^

Still I will modify the text after your demands and wishes

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Posted 03 April 2008 - 03:53 AM

sorry for the somewhat bad english but im swedish teached in a very strict form of high noble english. ^_^

Still I will modify the text after your demands and wishes

These are no demands or wishes, those are merely proposals to enhance the text and speed up the creation process as well as make it more efficient (by using material that has already been created). What I want to say is: it still is your text and you have the liberty to do with it what you think is best for it. Plus you really should have fun doing it ;)
And the english is not bad actually :)
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Posted 03 April 2008 - 06:35 AM

Ahh no problems at all, Im a bit new to work on a game this way, the teams I been in before were more closed and everything was done person to person not on a open forum but I start to like this way more and more.

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 04:46 AM

SIDEWINDER LIGHT MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Sidewinder

The new XAIM 3 Sidewinder is an advanced medium-range air to air missile developed by the joint private venture program NGESM (Next Generation European Standard Missile) which is an co-operation between numerous European arms companies. Though several patents and licenses of the old sidewinders were acquired, the resulting missile has been upgraded with the latest hardware and software to fulfill its role at X-Corps. The Sidewinder has an all weather, beyond visual range capability and it has been modified by X-Corps to be the new standard medium missile for all existing X-Corps fighter jets. Its a supersonic, air launched, aerial intercept missile and uses active radar tracking together with active Radio Frequency (RF) target detection to guide itself towards its target. One major advantage the XAIM-3 has that give it a good advantage as an Anti-Alien missile is that it was developed to engage the next generation stealth fighters/bombers. As a result of this the missile needs very vague radar signals to lock on and track an enemy target. The technology used to create this is rather simple actually as it uses the disturbed radar echoes from a stealth target to create a unique target profile that differs from that of an ordinary radar object. This tracking system is actually a software installed in the missile tracking unit which learns enables the missile how to separate a stealth target from a common target.
Together these three systems makes the XAIM 3 very hard to avoid once locked on.

Its weight is 160 kilograms , it is powered by an solid fuel rocket motor with a quick acceleration as it reaches it top speed of Mach 4 within 4-5 seconds. and Its maximum range is 32 miles. In flight the missile uses both its own tracking systems but it is also able to receive target updates from its carrier aircraft to during approach on its target.
At close range the XAIM-3 uses it own targeting system freeing the pilot, and allowing him to engage other targets. Excepts for extreme ranges, the XAIM-3 works as a Fire and forget missile that give the pilot an clear advantage in comparison to older missiles.
Once near the target the XAIM-3 is very quick and agile so it becomes almost impossible for the enemy to lure it away even with extreme maneuvers. XAIM 3 explodes at a range predetermined by the pilot, the most usual range is about a few feet from its target resulting in a major shock wave that destroy or severely damage it. The warhead at 45 pounds is a new development from X-Corps using the superior effective C6 WE (Composition 6 Warhead Explosive) as an explosive but this also comes with an hefty price tag; still its power full enough to damage most alien vessel.
XAIM-3 can be mounted on any modern fighter aircraft such as F18, EuroFighter, Griffin and F22 this is because if there will be an total war against the aliens in the future, X-Corps can distribute X-AIM's all over the world to even out the odds a bit.
The XAIM-3 has been fully field-tested and is now ready for aquisition.


There is no lidar tech in my version of it because I want the titan have a few plus over the sidewinder. Beyond Visual Range is critical as you might travel in mach 1.5 and your target may head straigth for you and then you want to rely on radar to lock on not have it on your HUD.

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 05:25 PM

SIDEWINDER LIGHT MISSILE
X-Net://Pegasus.net/Armament/Sidewinder

The new XAIM 3 Sidewinder is an advanced medium-range air to air missile developed by the joint private venture program NGESM (Next Generation European Standard Missile) which is an co-operation between numerous European arms companies. Though several patents and licenses of the old sidewinders were acquired, the resulting missile has been upgraded with the latest hardware and software to fulfill its role at X-Corps. The Sidewinder has an all weather?, beyond visual range capability and it that has been modified by X-Corps to be the new standard medium missile for all existing X-Corps fighter jets. It's a supersonic, air launched, aerial intercept missile and uses active radar tracking together with active Radio Frequency (RF) target detection to guide itself towards its target. One major advantage the XAIM-3 has that gives it an good advantage as an Anti-Alien missile is that it was developed to engage the next generation stealth fighters/bombers. As a result of this the missile needs very vague radar signals to lock on and track an enemy target. The technology used to create this is rather simple actually as it uses the disturbed radar echoes from a stealth target to create a unique target profile that differs from that of an ordinary radar object. This tracking system is actually a software installed in the missile tracking unit which learns enables? the missile how to separate a stealth target from a common target.
Together these three systems makes the XAIM 3 very hard to avoid once locked on.

Its weight is 160 kilograms, it is powered by an solid fuel rocket motor with a quick acceleration as it reaches it top speed of Mach 4 within 4-5 seconds. and Its maximum range is 32 miles. In flight the missile uses both its own tracking systems but it is also able to receive target updates from its carrier aircraft to during approach on its target.
At close range the XAIM-3 uses it own targeting system freeing the pilot, and allowing him to engage other targets. Excepts for extreme ranges, the XAIM-3 works as a Fire and forget missile that gives the pilot an clear advantage in comparison to older missiles.
Once near the target the XAIM-3 is very quick and agile so it becomes almost impossible for the enemy to lure it away even with extreme maneuvers. XAIM 3 explodes at a range predetermined by the pilot, the most usual range is about a few feet from its target resulting in a major shock wave that ?could? destroy or severely damage it. The warhead at 45 pounds is a new development from X-Corps using the superior effective C6 WE (Composition 6 Warhead Explosive) as an explosive but this also comes with an hefty price tag; still it's powerful enough to damage most alien vessels.
XAIM-3 can be mounted on any modern fighter aircraft such as F18, EuroFighter, Griffin and F22 this is because if there will be an total war against the aliens in the future, X-Corps can distribute X-AIM's all over the world to even out the odds a bit.
The XAIM-3 has been fully field-tested and is now ready for aquisition.


Edited by RustedSoul, 06 April 2008 - 05:52 PM.


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Posted 07 May 2008 - 03:38 PM

Nice CT mate :)
But you can't include any mention of aliens in pre-invasion technology I'm afraid. Drop that and restructure a little and you'll have a great finished piece.
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