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#1 gambino

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 01:23 PM

Ok here's what i got for the H&K G11....700 polys

lemme know if it needs something...................... :explode:

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 02:01 PM

Model looks good, but u could do the clip included to weapon. As i have have understand it (i could be wrong), it is on the top of of the barrel. http://world.guns.ru...ault/as42-e.htm there is few pics that show it (sorry couldnt find better pics at the moment).
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 02:32 PM

If it's for a laser weapon, the clip's already there. :D

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 03:49 PM

Very good! Much better than my version of the G11, actually :P.

I missed the magazine thing too on my version, it's a bit like the P90 mag, long and attached to the top of the gun.

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 06:09 PM

With the clip, and a little thinned out at the barrel end...looked a little fat...

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 06:39 PM

I like that G11 :)
The last pic on the angle makes it kind of look like a stormtroopers blaster, which is a good thing tm. ;)
Am I correct in saying that this will be used for the laser rifle? If so it would rock.

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Posted 05 June 2003 - 12:41 AM

IIRC the "family look" for the laser weapons is as much about textures and straight edges as anything. So this qualifies well into the mark. It's got laser written all over it.

The only thing It's missing to make it fit totally is the diagonal grooves on the front underside of the barrel/grip
(like on the pistol sketches.)


I have a go at converting the Max files. I ought to be able to.

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Posted 02 June 2005 - 02:59 PM

oh yeah - heres the laser rifle i've been working on. It's still a very big WIP, but got any suggestions, let 'em rip! :P

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Posted 02 June 2005 - 03:05 PM

I'll wait until you get a little further along with the riflebefore posting too much, but it looks quite nice in terms of basic shape and style. Maybe rework the front and underside to look more like how the front of the pistol looks.

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Posted 02 June 2005 - 03:36 PM

Yeah, just a quick heads up to see if I'm doing something completely wrong :)

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Posted 03 June 2005 - 12:23 AM

THe only comment besides that it looks good is what Vaaish said. The under-barrel piece looks strange- like it should have some kind of fuction. If you take the barrel out you could say that that is the clip for it- the capacitors are in the underbarrel housing.

The butt could use a little biggening, I think, too.

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Posted 03 June 2005 - 01:18 AM

Ironically, the underslung bit looks like it should be a laser pointer. :D

Beef up that stock a little, mikker, lookin` good so far.
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 01:40 PM

Updated the rifle. Dried up on ideas for the stock.

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And heres how it all came together. Just for the nostalgia part of it :)

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And finally: The laser famility as they are currently (pistol texture not added)

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 05:25 PM

Wow, very nice mikker! excellent job!
btw, is there a screen showing something in the Laser Rifle? :)

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Posted 07 June 2005 - 02:32 AM

Wow, very nice mikker! excellent job!
btw, is there a screen showing something in the Laser Rifle? :)

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Thanks!

yes, actually. It's a special digital zoom and light adjusting screen that also helps aim (or that's what it's supposed to be, I'm not in the CTD team :P). It got a camera in the front which I havn't made yet. But currently it's just a screenshot taken from HL2. Of all thinks :P

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(the side one) work?

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 06:41 AM

Okay -

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 07:30 AM

Okay -

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I think I failed to note what I was loking at before, the only part of the stock that I didn't think worked well was the very back, it was too small and flat to be comfortable. If you fix that piece andmake hte stock join the rest of the weapon better I think we will be good.

Right nowthe back of the weapon cuts off too sharply where the stock joins and it looks a little awkward.

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 12:03 PM

I Love the front, but I just can't get over the two stocks posted so far. It's almost as if the weapon has been cut in half - like a really big pistol with a folding stock. When I think rifle, I think nice, flowing stock. Here's an image of one of my favorite rifle designs - the H&K SL8.


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Posted 08 June 2005 - 12:26 PM

I find it odd that a weapon as powerful as the laser rifle should "waste" the space that could be used within a solid stock. right now it looks like an overgrown pistol, with a shoulder piece that isn't even necessary, because laser weapons HAVE NO RECOIL. :) that is something worth considering, don't you think? I would prefer a solid shoulder piece, because then we can say that it contains additional capacitors or cooling systems or whatever.
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Posted 08 June 2005 - 02:01 PM

lasers may have no recoil but they still need to be balanced. Thats wht the stock does... plus it allows a soldier to brace it against his shoulder to help steady his aim.

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 02:23 PM

true. still, I think it looks too small for the powerful weapon it is. :(
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Posted 08 June 2005 - 02:30 PM

true. still, I think it looks too small for the powerful weapon it is.  :(

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I agree... I was just poiting out that the stock doesn't just absorb recoil.

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 02:26 AM

One thing I'd like to note is that giving the laser rifle a sniper style full stock makes sense because not only does it look cool, but also gives it the sniper rifle feel which it deserves as it's the closet thing to one in the game, and that a full stock is the ideal place to put the power storage devices
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Posted 09 June 2005 - 04:56 AM

Mostly, a nice big stock will provide counter-weights for the front of the rifle. At the moment, with that wimpy stick of a stock and the slanted handle, it is going to be a pain in the arse to aim up. It'll be constantly tipping forward and down unless used with both hands. Go for a full stock design like the SL8, and add some panels on it that could be access to any thing put in there. Or it could be a music player. << >>

(In Unreal Tournament 2004, nearly all, if not all, of the weapons have hidden "play", "stop", "record" and "fastforward" buttons. Some have "rewind". One of the robots has "WARNING - EJECTOR SEAT - WARNING" hidden on it's head. LOL)

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 05:40 AM

(In Unreal Tournament 2004, nearly all, if not all, of the weapons have hidden "play", "stop", "record" and "fastforward" buttons. Some have "rewind". One of the robots has "WARNING - EJECTOR SEAT - WARNING" hidden on it's head. LOL)

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LOL, Never noticed that :P

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Posted 17 June 2005 - 03:57 AM

ok, gonna continue working on this.

I was thinking that it wouldn't be good for it to have a stock in the first place, as it's a one-hand wieldable weapon (right?), and the stock would get in thr way?

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Posted 17 June 2005 - 05:07 AM

no recoil aside, I think it just looks better with a stock :D
and the as Moriarty and Tzuchan stated, an excellent place to store power cells/capacitors/what ever - it makes sense.

Aside from that, Whoever made the mesh and did the texturing for the laser pistol - OMFG damn good job!

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Posted 17 June 2005 - 05:19 AM

Mikker did the pistol mesh, like all the others here, I believe. :P
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Posted 17 June 2005 - 05:36 AM

ok, gonna continue working on this.

I was thinking that it wouldn't be good for it to have a stock in the first place, as it's a one-hand wieldable weapon (right?), and the stock would get in thr way?

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For a rifle i think it's important to have a stock and be weilded two handed... if it is wielded one handed the rifle becomes more of a handgun.

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Posted 17 June 2005 - 05:56 AM

Or perhaps a carbine. I believe those are about half-way between SMGs and actual Rifles.
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Posted 17 June 2005 - 09:36 AM

just looked at it without a stock. It did look ike a large handgun, I'll see what stock I can cook up.

edit: took that sniper stock and slammed it dirrectly behind a pic of the rifle. They merge together perfectly. A simple cut and paste job gave some results. Could this work?

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Posted 17 June 2005 - 10:46 AM

If you modeled that on, I would give you a cookie. :D
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Posted 17 June 2005 - 11:57 AM

Wow, it does go good. Looks damned impressive =b

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Posted 17 June 2005 - 12:57 PM

NB, the hole is for the shooter's thumb, so it would have to be much closer to the pistol grip.

Here I go an angry brother gonna make his move
But can I buck him in the city so I never lose?
See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
And now I'm ready for my adversary, talk is cheap
I'm looking for a way to make a plan gonna keep it neat
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
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Posted 17 June 2005 - 02:14 PM

Mikker... looks great to me go ahead an start modeling it in.

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Posted 18 June 2005 - 12:42 AM

Yees, gonna start it after I get time. :)

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Posted 18 June 2005 - 01:05 AM

It's a shame cpl. facehugger wasn't here to denounce the hole in the grip. WE HATES IT FOREVER!

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See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
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So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
'cause all I want to see is m****f***ing brains hanging


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Posted 18 June 2005 - 02:24 PM

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compareing the 4 versions.

The last one is still WIP. Some bugs left to be stretched out. I can't zoom in more, or you'll see them :P

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Posted 18 June 2005 - 02:30 PM

the grip ought to essentially be a pistol grip with a projection coming out of the bottom. The grip itself should still be big enough to comfortably hold with your hand in a relaxed posture.

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But can I buck him in the city so I never lose?
See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
And now I'm ready for my adversary, talk is cheap
I'm looking for a way to make a plan gonna keep it neat
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
'cause all I want to see is m****f***ing brains hanging


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Posted 18 June 2005 - 03:26 PM

the grip ought to essentially be a pistol grip with a projection coming out of the bottom.  The grip itself should still be big enough to comfortably hold with your hand in a relaxed posture.

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Posted 18 June 2005 - 04:06 PM

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compareing the 4 versions.

The last one is still WIP. Some bugs left to be stretched out. I can't zoom in more, or you'll see them :P

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mikker. it looks better how it is in the mockup you posted up there, the joint should be smooth so it doesn't look like an after thought.

bascially keep your original grip and just blend in the new stock.

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Posted 18 June 2005 - 04:17 PM

the grip ought to essentially be a pistol grip with a projection coming out of the bottom.  The grip itself should still be big enough to comfortably hold with your hand in a relaxed posture.

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In other words, perhaps you should look at the picture that you derived that design from in order to figure out what is wrong with your current grip.

It is difficult to know what you mean by all of those smilies, but I do not enjoy being called wacko or having it implied that I am babbling. You are a 3d artist and you are designing something that, at the very least, would fulfill the function that it is designed for. Being held in a comfortable way is one of these functions. I understand that not everyone gets the opportunity to hold weapons, and fewer get the opportunity to hold one with a pistol grip. If you are having trouble with imagining what it is like, you can always google search looking for people who are holding assault rifles and other weapons, and pay close attention to what their hands are doing.

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See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
And now I'm ready for my adversary, talk is cheap
I'm looking for a way to make a plan gonna keep it neat
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
'cause all I want to see is m****f***ing brains hanging


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Posted 18 June 2005 - 06:37 PM

wow, yes, that is going to look great! but fuxor is right, the grip/handle just doesn't work the way it is right now. you have to keep in mind that the hand actually wraps around the grip, so the rear part needs to be different. righ now, if you were trying to use the rifle, it would be very awkward. try to imagine it. if it doesn't work, print it on cardboard, cut it out and try it. you'll see. :) but as I said, this is going to be great. It really looks like a powerful rifle now.
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Posted 19 June 2005 - 09:05 AM

okay. I just had no idea what you was saying. It didn't make any sence.

Well, I've never seen such a rifle in real life, so thats why. I'll see what I can do to improve it.

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I still havn't any idea what on earth you mean fuxor. Your saying 'its wrong' and should be a 'pistol grip with projection' which I have no idea what means. I've looked at one or two pics of snipers using the weapon, and I still have no idea what you are talking about.

edit: overlooked Moriartys post- So it's wraping your hand arround it that is the problem? K, I'll look into it. Why didn't you just say that in the first play fuxor :P

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Posted 19 June 2005 - 02:29 PM

I hope this more clearly delineates the shape of the construction of the grip and buttsock of the weapon. Any weapon with a 'marksman's' grip like this can be broken down as such. There is always a pistol grip and a buttstock and some moulded piece of plastic that joins the two. The basic shape of the pistol grip and buttstock are never altered, though.

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Here I go an angry brother gonna make his move
But can I buck him in the city so I never lose?
See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
And now I'm ready for my adversary, talk is cheap
I'm looking for a way to make a plan gonna keep it neat
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
'cause all I want to see is m****f***ing brains hanging


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Posted 19 June 2005 - 03:12 PM

aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh! Thanks! I just thought it was one big lump of plastic with a hole in it. The colourscheme really clears it up for me. Thanks!

Ok. I'll start with the grip part tomorrow. I have made progress elsewhere though;

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Posted 19 June 2005 - 08:34 PM

wow the laser rifle is starting to look alot like a gun i previously started texturing called the warspike... lemme dig up a render...

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 02:43 AM

Hey Mikker, what about making the part right infront of the rifle straight instead of curved upwards?

Here's a quick 5 mins play around in paint to show you what I mean:
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Also, that part looks like it'd be the right sport to place the forward grip.
Other than that, great work so far!

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 04:45 AM

hmmmm.... I don't know... I like the one I used more. I really like the way it looks right now.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 05:42 AM

I'd leave the curved portion in there... helps tie it in with the pistol.