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#101 Vaaish

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 02:11 PM

Mikker, it doesn't have to have all those buttons on it, the primary thing I wanted you to get from it was the shape I'm looking for in the grip and that is one example that is pretty easy to see the beefiness I'd like to see in the handle. I agree simply copying the f16 stick and plopping it on the model would look extremely odd but I'd like you to use that as a basis for the handle you put on there.

The stock as you have it right now on the rifle would be extremely uncomfortable to weild. Look up some of the modern day weapons that have folding stocks and base yours off one of them.

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 02:22 PM

ok - I'll see how it looks.

I also tried looking up some stocks but that one I, more or less, based this one on was the only one I could find (a shotgun stock I belive). I'll look closer.

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#103 mikker

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Posted 29 June 2005 - 04:09 PM

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better?

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#104 Vaaish

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Posted 29 June 2005 - 04:16 PM

yesh that shape is much better. Lets go ahead and make the thing a but beefier it still looks a little dimmunitive compare to the rest of the cannon.

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Posted 29 June 2005 - 05:57 PM

Definitely. Make it a bit beefier like a gaming joystick controller or something. :D

(in terms of "weight", that is)
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 06:36 PM

mikker: Azrael is the news anchor make him notice the mistake ;)

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Posted 29 June 2005 - 08:42 PM

I don't know if it's such an issue. I did post my progress, so that screencap is accurate. Saying that I posted my progress on Mikker's model or whatever would be sort of confusing.

I do think that Mikker ought to receive credit for his work, though. I certainly did not design it, I am merely revising it. It's still clearly Mikker's creation. I am fascilitating the development of the model so that it may meet the desired design parameters. Perhaps this could be expressed in the body of the article.

edit: I was not aware that there was no body of the article.. or rather, this is the body of the article. they'll be made aware of his issue by clicking on the link, at any rate.

Edited by fux0r666, 29 June 2005 - 09:04 PM.


Here I go an angry brother gonna make his move
But can I buck him in the city so I never lose?
See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
And now I'm ready for my adversary, talk is cheap
I'm looking for a way to make a plan gonna keep it neat
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
'cause all I want to see is m****f***ing brains hanging


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Posted 29 June 2005 - 09:10 PM

Hey!  :angry: I don't get credit for the laser rifle in the news!  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

I've been trying to make a new handle for the heavy rifle, but I've had a hard time getting started (yes folkes, no progress at all on that). I don't know if I can get started AT ALL.  :wink1:

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Sorry, I'm a bit confused, I thought Fux had worked on it, since he posted the model. I will correct it immediately, please PM me next time I slip, sometimes I get lost in threads outside my dept. :blink2:

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Posted 29 June 2005 - 09:23 PM

I did work on it and I did post my own progress. I altered his model quite extensively. The task took me a number of hours and it is still ongoing. Perhaps the news could reflect this in some political way.

Fux posted his progress/alterations/modifications on Mikker's model, or something.

Here I go an angry brother gonna make his move
But can I buck him in the city so I never lose?
See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
And now I'm ready for my adversary, talk is cheap
I'm looking for a way to make a plan gonna keep it neat
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
'cause all I want to see is m****f***ing brains hanging


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#110 Vaaish

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Posted 29 June 2005 - 09:31 PM

how about something like, fuxx0r666 has posted his progress in completing Mikkers Laser rifle. Click here if you would like to know more.

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Posted 29 June 2005 - 09:39 PM

Thank you :) will *yawn* correct it in the morning, night :D

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 06:28 AM

thanks :)

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 10:50 AM

fuxor how long do you think until it has to be textured? Id love something to texture besides the shirt armor :hammer:

Going a bit crazy with seeing that texture over and over :P

Looks great, both the rifle and the heavy :beer:

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 01:59 PM

I beefed it up a bit more - and added a button! :D

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#115 Vaaish

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:46 PM

I wouldn't put the button there since it would cause too much of a chance of accidental discharge while holding the weapon. If anywhere put the button on the top and make the stick a little shorter while keeping the rest of the perportions the same.

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:49 PM

fuxor how long do you think until it has to be textured? Id love something to texture besides the shirt armor :hammer:

Going a bit crazy with seeing that texture over and over :P

Looks great, both the rifle and the heavy  :beer:

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#117 mikker

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 03:14 PM

Hey guys, any idea on how to make the thing even beefier? I can't really see a way to make it any bigger without making it totally out of proportions. What exact features from joysticks are needed on? Oh, and holiday just got pushed back another week, so I have plenty of time on the HLC.

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#118 Vaaish

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 05:21 PM

Hey guys, any idea on how to make the thing even beefier? I can't really see a way to make it any bigger without making it totally out of proportions. What exact features from joysticks are needed on? Oh, and holiday just got pushed back another week, so I have plenty of time on the HLC.

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it doesn't necessarily need to be taller or bigger but looking down on top of it it needs to be wider, also it needs to have a stronger looking connetction to the weapon. Every time I see it it appears that it will fall off when the weapon is picked up.

put the firing stud on top so it has less chance of accidentally being hit and change the shapeof the top to accommodate it comfortably.

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 04:01 AM

...and remember that a modelled button is probably 40+ polys, but a big red dot on a texture is 0 polys :)


...perhaps the rear handle could be more like this:
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...that way it looks a lot more like something that can support the weight. the firing button could be thumb-controlled on the top.

and another point (which you may ignore freely, as it is very unimportant):
when I consider designs, I always try to make them symmetrical, because the weapon might be operated by a left-handed soldier. I don't really know why I think about this, being right-handed myself... whatever. what I'm trying to say is that you might consider giving the front handle another support on the left side, too. :)

Edited by Moriarty, 04 July 2005 - 04:05 AM.

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 07:38 AM

I'm lefthanded ;) But yeah, I totally agree. I just imagine you being able to screw the thing off and plug it in on the other side. Problem solved :P

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#121 Shinzon

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 12:22 PM

Fuxor I can't open that max file... can you export it as another? please? mabe 3ds?

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 12:27 PM

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made it shorter, bulkier, made the attachment wider, made the top piece quite a bit wider as well, and added The Button™.

Oh, and remade the inlets at the side of the laser to look more like the laser rifle. As well as the air thinggy at the front.

Edited by mikker, 04 July 2005 - 12:29 PM.

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Posted 05 July 2005 - 08:35 AM

uh... shouldn't the front handle be attached in a way that the center of mass is below the middle of the handle? if you grip this thing now, it would lean toward the right side. :(
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#124 mikker

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Posted 05 July 2005 - 09:07 AM

uh... shouldn't the front handle be attached in a way that the center of mass is below the middle of the handle? if you grip this thing now, it would lean toward the right side.  :(

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then where can i place it instead? In the middle of the gun, in that little inlet?

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#125 fux0r666

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Posted 05 July 2005 - 12:43 PM

Max's 3ds exporter didn't rape this model, so Shinzon has it now.

Here I go an angry brother gonna make his move
But can I buck him in the city so I never lose?
See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
And now I'm ready for my adversary, talk is cheap
I'm looking for a way to make a plan gonna keep it neat
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
'cause all I want to see is m****f***ing brains hanging


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#126 Darkhomb

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Posted 05 July 2005 - 12:47 PM

I think hes right, I think for a handle like that it would need tobe mounted on the right side to keep it balanced?? Correct me if I am wrong. I don't have anything to try so I'm just picturing it.

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Posted 06 July 2005 - 11:37 AM

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more like that?

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Posted 06 July 2005 - 12:33 PM

uh... no. :D sorry, I really don't know how to describe it better... the handle should be above the gun, all right, like in this screenshot (look at the top left picture):
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BUT move the handle to the right and perhaps make it so that the (blue) thing that connects the (black) handle to the gun body is at both sides?
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#129 fux0r666

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Posted 06 July 2005 - 12:48 PM

He means like this.

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So that the handle can be held at the centre of gravity of the weapon (ie. hand over the centre line).

Here I go an angry brother gonna make his move
But can I buck him in the city so I never lose?
See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
And now I'm ready for my adversary, talk is cheap
I'm looking for a way to make a plan gonna keep it neat
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
'cause all I want to see is m****f***ing brains hanging


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Posted 06 July 2005 - 12:57 PM

Yeah, I think it'd have a better feel if the handle was moved a bit off-center.

Actually, I like fux's picture. We should use that as the new model. ;)
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Posted 06 July 2005 - 03:57 PM

Be that as it may, to fulfill a functional requirement, the design should appear to be balanced and ergonomic.

Here I go an angry brother gonna make his move
But can I buck him in the city so I never lose?
See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
And now I'm ready for my adversary, talk is cheap
I'm looking for a way to make a plan gonna keep it neat
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
'cause all I want to see is m****f***ing brains hanging


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#132 mikker

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Posted 06 July 2005 - 04:39 PM

oh, sorry :P

but I'll have to extend it very FAR so you can hold the gun without crossing your arms. I'll see what I can cook up. But for now, it's bedtime for me :P

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Posted 06 July 2005 - 10:40 PM

As it stands, I think you would have to hold it perpendicular to your body with the thing basically resting on your stomach. There is no possible way that that could be held at the side of your body- especially not in powered armour.

Here I go an angry brother gonna make his move
But can I buck him in the city so I never lose?
See I'm a get him in the crowd with a couple heavies
And lay the barrel to the ground, hold the gat steady
And now I'm ready for my adversary, talk is cheap
I'm looking for a way to make a plan gonna keep it neat
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
'cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it
'cause all I want to see is m****f***ing brains hanging


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#134 mikker

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Posted 07 July 2005 - 07:34 AM

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#135 Vaaish

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Posted 07 July 2005 - 07:52 AM

mikker can you please attach the image to the post instead of uploading to your webspace.

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Posted 07 July 2005 - 08:00 AM

yes of course. Just though it was easier this way. I got plenty of space.

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Posted 07 July 2005 - 09:58 AM

looks just about right. perhaps you could post some pictures with different perspectives? (and they don't need to be that big :) half the size would be fine)
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Posted 07 July 2005 - 10:54 AM

heh, ok. Yeah, i just copy and paste them, I have a 1280x1024 resolution :)

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Posted 07 July 2005 - 11:12 AM

ok, the placement of that forward handle looks good from what I can see, but you really need to shotenr the grip to the width of the weapon.

The reason for attaching the images is they are getting blocked on your webspace here at work.

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Posted 07 July 2005 - 12:11 PM

I'm trying to imagine how a person would hold this weapon. The way I'm envisioning the weapon is that it's fired from hip-level, with the left hand on the front grip and the right hand on the rear grip, but the rear grip currently makes me think the heavy laser would be easy to drop.

What do you guys think about making the rear grip more of a "rung" or "closed loop" instead of a stick? The thumb-operated trigger could be placed on the top-side of the rung.

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Posted 07 July 2005 - 12:43 PM

the stick is fine since the weight of the weapon is balanced over the forward grip. For reference on this look up a minigun and see how that is held.

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Posted 07 July 2005 - 02:29 PM

Actually I think it should be the width, you cant grab it all the way out there or it will tilt, what you could do is insted of that only being one side it, close the handle so it can be fired both sides.. I attached pics of chaingun/minigun for refrence.

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Posted 08 July 2005 - 07:22 AM

I don't have much time, as I will be out most of the weekend. I also got monday, but I won't have time for this then (and it was to the 10th, right?).

I've made the ending to the handle, and also made alot of tutchups here and there to make it flow a bit better. And I made a new piece at the front, and even shortened the entire thing a little at the front, so now the balance shoudl be above the front piece.

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Posted 08 July 2005 - 09:13 AM

I think that looks really good, closing the handle was just my opinion, I don't know how others think but I think that fixed alot of problems/questions plus looks better.

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Posted 08 July 2005 - 09:22 AM

indeed, and it solves the you-need-to-take-it-off-to-be-able-to-use-it-as-left-handed problem.

I'm still worried about it when we come to make the animation for it..... Holding it in front of you might help alot though.

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Posted 08 July 2005 - 09:38 AM

I don't see how you would have a problem, when I picture it, It would be at the hip, you rotate your body to aim. attached refrence.

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Posted 08 July 2005 - 10:59 AM

I think it will be fine mikker, lets pack it up and ship it to Fux for optomizing the low poly version.

Good job.

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Posted 08 July 2005 - 12:28 PM

here you go fux.

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Posted 23 July 2005 - 11:47 AM

What's the status of Laser Pistol? Is it exported and ready to add to XNet?
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 01:48 PM

I assume that it was posted a while ago - by Vaaich I belive. Let me have a look...

jep, the two uploads on page 11.

Edited by mikker, 23 July 2005 - 01:49 PM.

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