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#1 Robo Dojo 58

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Posted 23 December 2003 - 01:12 PM

Wierd. I had a base selected in Micah's saved game, and I opened one of my new superhuman games, only to find this! :huh:
It looks like my game didn't select the bases correctly, but it looks very cool. Has NE1 been able to do this before?

--Edit: Tiff files aren't shown as pics. Hmm.... Changed to Jpeg.

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Edited by Robo Dojo 58, 23 December 2003 - 01:13 PM.

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Secondly: This organisation takes too much money to run. Weapon shipments will come from Siberia from now on. Costly maintenance is to be cut on all facilities. That includes venting.
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Posted 23 December 2003 - 01:18 PM

yeah, mine did that too...strange...

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Posted 23 December 2003 - 01:53 PM

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Posted 24 December 2003 - 07:06 AM

Now the question is, Even with all those missle defenses can the base hit an attacking UFO.

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Posted 24 December 2003 - 08:29 AM

I'm sure it could hit a ufo, but the question is Could it destroy it?
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Posted 24 December 2003 - 03:43 PM

the question is: could the aliens bother? :P

too bad, now you will never know the ancient secrets of supsupers long gone avatar ;)

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Posted 27 December 2003 - 05:45 PM

I've actually built a base with multiple grav shields and a battery of rocket modules (just for fun - I don't build gun modules - but that's better left for another discussion). (I think it was something like 4 rocket pods and 6 grav shields 4 x 6 = 24 rockets)

Let's just say that the attack time is awfully long, but the battleships do get blown to smithereens when enough missiles hit.

Back to the original topic though:

If you have a game with more than one base, select the last base, and then load a game with less bases. The last base will still be in memory and since savegames don't remember which base was selected, the last selected base will still be selected. This phantom base will have all the modules, inventory, scientists and engineers (no soldiers or ships) from the last game that you can either sell or send to another base. However, the moment you deselect the base, it can no longer be selected. The game cuts a few curves by not clearing any data, instead, it marks it as unavailable. It's still there, you just can't select it, that's all. This is the same reason for the proximity mine bug in the CE, and partially the cause for the ammo clip inside an alien corpse bug that some of you might have noticed from time to time.

Looking at the screenshots, however, I think the emulator you used may have cleared the memory - or the game just grabbed a section of unused RAM.

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Posted 27 December 2003 - 05:56 PM

Hey, do you actually get the game to work in Dosbox 0.60 ? It crashes for me in the battlescape.

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Posted 27 December 2003 - 07:14 PM

I've actually built a base with multiple grav shields and a battery of rocket modules (just for fun - I don't build gun modules - but that's better left for another discussion). (I think it was something like 4 rocket pods and 6 grav shields 4 x 6 = 24 rockets)

Hmm.. I just heard from elsewhere that it doesn't matter if you have 1 or 10 of those grav shields. It only lets you use those defences twice..

Means:
NO grav shields and 4 missile defences = 4 missile defences
1 grav shield and 4 missile defences = 2*4 missile defences
10 grav shields and 4 missile defences = still 2*4missile defences
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Posted 27 December 2003 - 07:22 PM

Multiple grav shields work. But don't take my word for it. Test it yourself and find out for sure.

Radars, now radars are a different story. Only one of each type of radar will work at any given time. The detection probabilities of the different radars do stack - though it's a moot point for the HWD. But for the small and large, they work best together.

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Posted 27 December 2003 - 07:32 PM

Multiple grav shields work. But don't take my word for it. Test it yourself and find out for sure.

Radars, now radars are a different story. Only one of each type of radar will work at any given time. The detection probabilities of the different radars do stack - though it's a moot point for the HWD. But for the small and large, they work best together.

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Are you saying that it's useless to have more than one small and one large radar system in a base?

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Posted 27 December 2003 - 07:47 PM

That is correct. Even though the base screen indicates otherwise, the additional radars don't increase radar range or the detection probability. Just increased rent. :)

This is another case where my curiosity was able to dig up some interesting facts about the game.

I was using the CWE editor to edit a new base so that it was packed with small radars, just to find out for sure whether the detection range was improved. The radars wouldn't pick anything up. It turns out that the CWE editor doesn't set the actual 'radar' variables for the base itself, which the game sets when new radars are built (exact same reason base editors make it so that the HWD is always built with 1 remaining build days). So I restarted this experiment the old fashioned way, by installing 5x6 + 5 small radars myself. Worked out just fine , but the radars were no better than one. I checked the base files again, and the detection probability for small range detection was still 10.

To cut thing short, on further experimentation, the large radar has a short range detection of 20 and a long range detection of 20. Combined with the small radar, its short range detection is raised to 30. Additional small and large radars had no effect on detection whatsoever. The HWD raises a separate stat, and this one goes all the way to 100 (hence 100% detection).

Sorry for my long windedness - and by temporarily going off-topic. I do that, you know. :)

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Posted 27 December 2003 - 07:55 PM

Sorry for my long windedness - and by temporarily going off-topic. I do that, you know


Not at all, I find your findings very interesting :)

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Posted 28 December 2003 - 09:10 AM

Multiple grav shields work. But don't take my word for it. Test it yourself and find out for sure.

What version of X-COM are you using? Mine is UFO DOS V1.4, and you can never use more than one grav shield. IIRC, it worked that way on the Playstation X-COM as well.

the additional radars don't increase radar range

Eh, that's not too bad. Radar works on line of sight. If more radars would allow you to see around the world, it'd be pretty stupid, and make bases less useful IMO.

but the radars were no better than one.

That's wierd. Did you try a saved game, with a UFO directly overhead? You could count how many times it is found, or how early it is spotted. The HWD would help alot for that. (Build HWD, find UFO, smash HWD, use radar/s, see how often/early you can find UFO)
Posted Image Haha! I'm now the Supreme Commander of X-COM. Time to kiss Earth goodbye.

My first order of business: Homeless people make cheap rookies, and are great at opening UFO doors. Heck, they're so cheap, I'm going to replace all personel with them!
Secondly: This organisation takes too much money to run. Weapon shipments will come from Siberia from now on. Costly maintenance is to be cut on all facilities. That includes venting.
Thirdly: We have a new colonel. His name is Facehugger, he loves aliens, and I want you all to treat him with respect.
Lastly: I'll be in my condo on an undisclosed island, if you need me. Good day.

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Posted 28 December 2003 - 10:37 AM

Multiple grav shields work. But don't take my word for it. Test it yourself and find out for sure.

Radars, now radars are a different story. Only one of each type of radar will work at any given time. The detection probabilities of the different radars do stack - though it's a moot point for the HWD. But for the small and large, they work best together.

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Has that been valid for all versions of Xcom. I seem to remember testing that years ago and being disapointed. My version is the REALLY old DOS one (I really should look it up).
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Posted 28 December 2003 - 04:34 PM

Re multiple grav shields: Hmm, I'm sure that I've seen it happen before, as I recall blowing a battleship to smithereens with a small battery or rocket modules and multiple grav shields. But that was so long ago -- I'll have to get back to you on it if I ever get a chance to test it. I've not bothered with defences in such a long time, my recollection might be a bit fuzzy.

Captain: The detection probabilities are stored as an entry for each base in the base file. A small radar will raise the bases's short range detection by 10 points. Multiple small radars do not raise this any further than the initial 10 (but adding a large radar will add an extra 20 to SR detection). If all the radar types are set to 0, then the base does not pick up any UFOs. (note the CWE editor suit does not set these values when installing the small and large radars)

By the way, destroying your radar will not disable the radar until the next radar is officially 'built' by the game. Try it. Start a new game, destroy your small (or large) radar and play for a bit. You'll still be picking up UFOs. What we have is a phantom radar. :) See, what's happening is that when you destroy the radar module, the game doesn't recalculate the detection probabilities and leaves them as they were. It won't recalculate them until a new radar is 'built'. When a radar is built, the physical radar module no longer has any function and is merely cosmetic.

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 01:47 AM

Wow, if I would have known all this before I said "gee, let's waste tons of money on a radar base..."

I've concluded simply that there's not a single question you can ask that NKF can't answer. I'll try one of these days. ;)

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 05:52 AM

Nah... I'm positively SURE there is no XCOM-related question that is NKF-proof... :master: :D

His in-depth exeperimentation must be strongly supported by an efficient & independant "guessing module" of some kind...

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 07:04 AM

Aiee! You're giving me far too much credit.

Look, I may be knowledgeable in some aspects of the game but I don't know everything nor am I always right. I get to make mistakes all the time, like everyone else.

Really! I kid you not.

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 08:21 AM

My radar bases consist of an access lift, a hyperwave decoder, and a mind shield.
Overwhelmed as one would be, placed in my position.
Such a heavy burden now to be the 'one'.
Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending,
To write it down for all the world to see.

But I forgot my pen!

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 09:09 AM

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am i the only one who notested the fire tommy option

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 09:49 AM

Now the question is, does that button force Tommy to get a new job, or does it randomly pick a fusion ball defense and make him blast-off?
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Posted 26 August 2004 - 10:11 AM

yah that would be the ultimet wepon fire tommy at near light speed at the alien battleship he will surive the battleship wount

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 07:34 AM

I'm sure he will... :LOL:

Damn!
How in the nine hells did you notice that button in the first place!!
Is it really there or is it an edited screenshot?? :huh:
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Posted 27 August 2004 - 10:36 AM

If you check the original topic you'll see someone already noticed, it is just an edited pic. Now that is solved we can stop spamming :)
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